Construction costs are currently skyrocketing

  • Erstellt am 2021-04-23 10:46:58

Joedreck

2021-12-18 09:44:53
  • #1

Slow down a bit, you don’t have to completely flip out right away.
I also never said that I am a fan of nuclear power, nor that I prefer hydrogen. Here you are really overdoing it. Shocking.

But to your question: Indeed, I am an absolute fan of heat pumps for new buildings. There are very good options here besides air-water heat pumps to realize this cost-effectively yourself with a bit of electricity.

I am a pronounced opponent of putting the many many owners and tenants of old buildings under massive cost pressure. The CO2 price in its current form only leads to people with low incomes having even less available. It pushes elderly people out of their hard-earned property and is socially massively unjust. If you wanted to make it socially just, ALL goods would have to receive a calculated CO2 price.

The e-car story is also extremely simplistic. Different concepts need to work alongside each other here. Because the raw materials for the necessary batteries unfortunately don’t grow on trees either. And they also consume an extreme amount of drinking water in water-scarce regions.
Here I suggest making cities free from individual traffic. Combined with state-subsidized public transport. The park & ride facilities arranged radially around the cities.
Expansion of home office and digitalization also saves the daily commute to the office.

The promotion of e-cars is nothing other than a subsidy of the car industry. What is more sustainable than driving a vehicle that has already been produced? Constantly buying new vehicles is neither environmentally friendly nor sustainable.
Until the concept of new cities is implemented, e-fuels will certainly be producible at low cost. That protects the lower incomes and is then environmentally compatible.

So @guckuck2, I am happy to continue discussing on a factual level with arguments. I am reluctant to communicate with people who polemicize and launch a broad attack without knowing the viewpoint of another person. The world is complex. There is no inevitability.
 

Hangman

2021-12-18 09:54:13
  • #2


Repeating this claim constantly does not make it any more true. In a parallel thread, an offer for the humble replacement of an existing boiler is currently being discussed. In addition to the 10K€ quoted there, new construction also involves gas connection costs, chimney/LAS, and solar thermal energy. You can easily get a heat pump for that. Photovoltaics pay for themselves, and KfW40 is a subsidy – with it, you receive money.
 

CC35BS38

2021-12-18 10:06:17
  • #3

If you rent a car anyway, you can just rent a combustion engine car in the future. Such distances, for which an electric car is currently really not suitable, are very rare. For daily commuting to work, the electric car is more than sufficient. And that doesn’t cost 40,000 today but 20,000 euros. Or do you commute more than 70 km one way? From there, the range slowly becomes tight in winter. I also estimate that 90% of the rural population could practically cover all routes electrically without noticing a difference.
 

Tom1978

2021-12-18 10:10:05
  • #4


I have to say that I am a fan of nuclear power. Especially when Poland wants to build some and France has plenty, especially near the border. I prefer nuclear power plants compared to coal-fired power plants. One should have first phased out coal and then slowly phased out nuclear.
 

motorradsilke

2021-12-18 10:12:53
  • #5


Not really. A large part of the rural population, for example, has a trailer. And the selection of electric cars is already very limited for that. Not to mention the towing capacity of electric cars. My daughter-in-law (they also live here in the village) wants to buy a Smart and has considered an electric Smart. In winter, she can't even get to her friend in Berlin and back (and charging there is currently not possible; there is no charging station nearby).
 

CC35BS38

2021-12-18 10:16:24
  • #6

Of course, continuing to drive an old car is always more ecological than buying a new one. But unfortunately, these days hardly anyone cares about that anymore. At least then they can get around without fossil fuel.
And it will take time until e-fuels are as cost-effective as current fuel. Currently €4.5/l, estimated €2.5/l in 2030.
 

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