Construction costs are currently skyrocketing

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Finch039

2023-04-06 14:08:24
  • #1


You can calculate whatever you want for him. "How long am I supposed to stand at the rest stop on the way to vacation to charge the car?" comes next ;)

And exactly these perpetually outdated people will eventually be caught up by this heating issue as well. First sit it out and it’s all nonsense anyway. Only to realize in the end, probably just when the subsidies run out: Well, maybe it wasn’t so smart after all. I should have ... five years ago.

Before the big outcry starts again: No, the 80-year-old grandma in her 250 sq m house built with her own hands is not meant. But when it comes to the next generation, you should already consider and factor in when buying that there might be a need for action regarding heating ;)
 

xMisterDx

2023-04-06 14:15:46
  • #2
You can't just wait it out. Even if gas still came from Russia and cost 6 cents/kWh. By 2027, that would have doubled due to the new CO2 price. Now amounts around 20-25 cents/kWh are realistic. And CO2 prices also affect fuel. Anything under 2 EUR/liter is then no longer realistic.

The 80-year-old grandma might not be meant by this. But how is she supposed to heat her 250m² house then?

It’s bitter, but those who own property have to take care of it themselves. Taxpayers, meaning all tenants, can't pay for renovations because people haven't done anything to their houses for 50 years. That would be downright absurd. I had to meet the GEG2020 requirements, so I already built quite expensively... and now I’m supposed to also pay for others' renovations because they haven't built up any reserves for 50 years?

Not possible.

And about the vacation... I have often driven 1,100 km in one go, with only a short 5-minute refueling break. That is neither healthy for the body nor does it contribute to safety on the roads. In Sweden, on the last 100 km, my eyes almost closed. I would no longer do that today, after a knee operation, for which these rushed trips were probably partly responsible. Two breaks of 30-45 minutes to move around a bit, eat something... that is always possible. That must always be possible.
 

RotorMotor

2023-04-06 14:17:07
  • #3
I find the comparison much nicer and more striking that an electric car consumes about as much electricity per 100 km as the production and provision of fuel for an internal combustion engine for the same 100 km alone!
 

xMisterDx

2023-04-06 14:23:00
  • #4


But the electricity does not exactly fall from the sky either. And all the overhead lines, substations, power cables, etc. were not present at the Big Bang either; they had to be produced, built, and laid.

Copper is a fairly "dirty" raw material in terms of its extraction and processing. Entire areas of land are dug up in Australia for this. Nobody cares though, because only the indigenous people live there and no Lützerath residents ;)
 

RotorMotor

2023-04-06 14:25:47
  • #5
What does that have to do with my statement? The charging current for cars is conducted through the same lines, power cables, etc. as the electricity used for the production and provision of fuel. ;-)
 

dertill

2023-04-06 14:31:13
  • #6


The CO2 price or BEHG surcharge on natural gas is currently set at 55-65 € / t for 2027 after the postponement to 2023. That corresponds to about 1 ct/kWh natural gas. The EU-wide agreement envisions 50 € / t CO2 until 2030, so nothing is in sight from this side either.
How this drives the price to 20 ct/kWh I do not yet see – the influence of war, economic upheavals, and other price drivers is (as we saw last year) clearly greater than the CO2 tax.
Yes, the diesel price will also rise because of this, but here it is "only" 17 ct/l in 2027. Here too, stock market prices fluctuate much more strongly and ultimately also influence the electricity price.

The Greens would certainly like to push the price higher, but currently I see neither political support from other parties nor public willingness to bear that.
Since the idea of the quasi-ban on new gas heating systems and the combustion engine phase-out by 2035, the Greens probably no longer see it as so important because the regulation is not implemented through price pressure but by ordinance.

Whether the CO2 tax is sensible or socially just is another matter. But an apocalypse due to the CO2 taxation is not in sight, and the pressure to switch to supposedly ecological electric cars and heat pumps is manageable – at least from an economic perspective – hence also the law.
 

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