Construction costs are currently skyrocketing

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chand1986

2023-06-22 16:35:38
  • #1
True.

But what does it ultimately come down to? In the end, the productive force of capital assets should pay into pension provisions. Either via the stock market route or via the state insurance route, if one also subjects the profits of a pension contribution to it. In both cases, the returns of companies have to pay for it—and always according to the pay-as-you-go procedure.

The state route argues for planning security, the stock market for personal responsibility. Personally, I believe that pension provision with small pensions is not something that should be subject to volatility, but that can also be seen differently.
 

guckuck2

2023-06-22 16:56:41
  • #2


Since we have a pay-as-you-go system, the "fund" you speak of doesn’t actually exist. Capital accumulation is explicitly not provided for.

Yes, it is demography plus a series of voter gifts to pensioners.
 

WilderSueden

2023-06-22 17:00:37
  • #3
The stock market route has two major advantages over a levy: 1. you are not limited to Germany. You can decouple yourself from the local competitive disadvantages. 2. Companies are very creative in avoiding levies and playing states off against each other. The saved money, however, always flows to the owners

I think one has to distance oneself a bit from volatility. It is now fairly widely accepted that an annual withdrawal rate of about 3.5% of the peak value no longer poses a relevant risk of premature failure. As an end result, you get a regular cash flow, the rest are just numbers in the account. Furthermore, of course, not everything would be shifted to private provision and funded systems, not even the Americans do that. That takes a lot of the sharpness out of the matter again
 

chand1986

2023-06-22 17:05:37
  • #4

But this is exactly the misconception I am opposing: If you save capital, you also receive the returns of this capital according to a pay-as-you-go system: they are diverted from the current economy. You can cash it in once if you want, but then you won't have any returns afterwards.

It is an illusion to believe you save today and the returns 30 years later then come from these savings. No, they do not!!!
They come from the current economic output, just like the pay-as-you-go system does.
You have only created the distribution key in the previous 30 years and hold it in private ownership. That is the difference.

Demographics are not responsible for the fact that thanks to capital investments we have become more productive while pension contributions are still based on labor income as always. But it accelerates the imbalance caused by this.
 

chand1986

2023-06-22 17:09:50
  • #5
I agree with you on everything, I just have one "but": This could only be sold to a population that broadly knows this and accepts it without much concern – in other words, a population with a developed stock culture. I rather see the path in Germany going in the direction that it has to get so bad that the majority of voters swallow it as the lesser evil. But I am happy to be positively surprised.
 

Benutzer205

2023-06-22 18:40:05
  • #6


No! The answer is because Germany is a country of retirees and since the founding of the FRG the country has been governed by one and the same generation, for whom policy is also made!
 

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