Construction costs are currently skyrocketing

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Neubau2022

2022-07-28 13:00:09
  • #1


I knew the extreme cases would come right away. That’s not what it’s about. It’s about examples where there are citizens’ initiatives (also with us), that for example don’t want wind turbines within 1 km of the village. Or recently in Berlin. A housing estate with 800 apartments is to be built, many of them social housing. Now the citizens are against it because they fear that many more cars will drive on their streets and that there will be traffic jams. Sorry, there has to be a limit somewhere. Affordable housing and cheap electricity, yes, but then please so that I don’t see the routes etc. That just doesn’t work...
 

Tolentino

2022-07-28 13:00:39
  • #2


I would say it is. Or rather, not necessarily to provide it oneself, but to ensure that there is enough affordable housing for everyone. This is a fundamental right, and protecting it is the core task of the state.


I agree with you there.
 

WilderSueden

2022-07-28 13:26:55
  • #3
Quite understandable. Those things are huge. We're now talking about 250m, here in the wind-poor south usually still on hilltops and therefore seemingly much higher. And the things are loud; one kilometer is not enough if you are downwind. There is also an urban-rural conflict here. The city people want wind turbines and build them right next to the village of the rural population. I haven't heard of anyone wanting to build wind turbines in city parks, even though there are enough parks where you could place a wind turbine according to the 2H rule. I have to announce a sad truth. The so-called climate protection will not happen without cuts to living standards and it will cost significantly more than the announced scoop of ice cream per month. Energy prices are only the tip of the iceberg and have currently exploded mainly for other reasons. Politics has not been and is not honest in this regard. The Achilles' heel of democracy, after all. In addition, there is an unknown amount of money and impositions for adapting to climate change. Whether it’s 1 degree, 1.5 or 2 degrees, if the climate changes, people will have to adapt. This starts with coastal protection, continues with flood protection, and ends with the question of whether it should be permitted to automatically water one’s English lawn in the garden. Not to mention public green spaces, since no one can water 30,000 sqm of city park every day.
 

Tolentino

2022-07-28 13:31:24
  • #4
There are now also new types of wind turbines, which make significantly less noise and are overall much more efficient with only slightly less maximum power. But there is probably some lobby again (probably even the wind turbine industry).
 

Neubau2022

2022-07-28 13:43:25
  • #5


Regarding wind turbines. We also have a few standing in Brandenburg :-) I can’t confirm that they are loud, even from less than 1 km distance. Noise disturbance is often a subjective perception. If the construction of wind turbines were promoted, we would certainly already have reached the point where they would be much more efficient/quieter, etc. See, for example, electric cars. How quickly and in such a short time everyone is developing…

And an example regarding the government and their slowness. We have already had problems with fires in Brandenburg years ago. This year it has become even more extreme. Among other things because of the pine forests (they burn very easily) but also because the firebreaks are not maintained by the municipalities but have become overgrown. Now the government is considering purchasing a firefighting aircraft. Or also the water shortage in some communities. There is a lot of talk about climate change, but no government so far is preparing for it… And the longer it takes, the more expensive it will be.
 

Neubau2022

2022-07-28 13:47:40
  • #6


In Spain, there are wind turbines without rotor blades. You can look it up. There is also a statement from Germany corresponding to ’s assumption:

"Criticism comes from Germany In Germany, wind power supporters view the project critically. Upon request, the Federal Association of Wind Energy stated: “With the globally established wind turbines with three rotor blades, we have an inexpensive, powerful, and mature technology.” The turbines in Spain, however, still have to prove themselves; it is not possible to assess “whether they are sensible regarding efficiency and costs.”

Meanwhile, prototypes tested in Spain have already proven that the concept works. Although the energy yield is about 30 percent lower than that of a comparable wind turbine, the vortex columns are 40 percent cheaper to purchase and about 80 percent cheaper in maintenance."
 

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