Construction costs are currently skyrocketing

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Joedreck

2021-12-19 15:34:33
  • #1
That you have the choice. Others simply no longer do. That is then felt as coercion, and who likes to be forced into something?
 

Joedreck

2021-12-19 15:38:47
  • #2
One thing conditions the other. I know many better-off people are also "penny pinchers," to put it vividly. However, the craftsman logically passes on his costs to the customer. The customer groans under the ever-increasing prices. And please don't forget: usually, the master craftsman or owner earns most of the money in the business. The employees usually do not. And this income group is hit hardest by high mobility costs, gas prices, etc. The owner buys, marks up, and writes off. The journeyman pays 20€ more per tank and wonders how to best pay heating costs in the cold winter. This is just no longer noticed.
 

CC35BS38

2021-12-19 16:00:45
  • #3
To clear up a few myths:
Topic e-car: With e-fuels, only 15% of the originally used energy remains. With e-cars, 70-80%. For towing, vintage cars, etc., they are certainly an option, but from an energy perspective not for the masses. The energy situation is similar for hydrogen as a gas replacement compared to a heat pump. And e-cars are also usable in rural areas except for a few justified exceptions. Fortunately, nothing is forbidden, this will anyway be regulated by costs (currently 100 km with an e-car costs €5 and 100 km with a combustion engine €10).
Topic insulation (and its balance): Very little of the oil currently used is spent on insulation material manufacturing (<1%). Most is burned, whether in a car, house, or elsewhere. Insulation saves 80 times the oil required for its production over 50 years. The price aspect is a different matter, especially at the moment. But this will also level out until it makes financial "sense" to insulate.
Topic photovoltaics: In new construction, it is, in my opinion, almost ridiculous to get upset about a mandate. Calling the €10-15k “a deal breaker” on a project volume of over €350k does not correspond to the truth. In existing property purchases and projects from €150k-250k, the €15k is more significant, I understand the financial concerns there. But even there, installing photovoltaics pays off financially if the bank cooperates with the increased financing amount. And with every self-used kWh, it becomes more financially worthwhile. And that it pays off financially is always the best approach for change.
And feel free to continue the discussion, but please without Third Reich or old man comparisons.
 

Myrna_Loy

2021-12-19 16:13:59
  • #4
But that is greatly simplified and only applies to a few of the larger companies. The typical small craft business does not experience such large differences.
Houses don't just become more expensive because of environmental protection regulations; it's more about dreams of 40 sqm per occupant, the double garage, the walk-in showers, the dressing room, and the open-plan room with the 30,000 euro kitchen.
Friends of ours recently built a 160 sqm house with a garage for 350,000 euros to [kfw 40 standard] in Lower Saxony. Not because they had to, but because they wanted to. The house is built in a very traditional way, but still totally individual and cozy.
 

Deliverer

2021-12-19 16:34:56
  • #5
I would feel inclined to say that those who truly have no choice are not the ones who are really hit hard by, for example, a CO2 tax. Small apartment, small car (and often none at all), no vacation trips and no riding around on a Harley. But yes, I don’t have any figures on hand and there will certainly be hard cases. And those should be caught by our social system.
 

NoSchnitzers

2021-12-19 17:04:09
  • #6


How I hate this argument... This is not about the photovoltaic system here, but about the motto "15k more or less". How often we've heard this sentence lately is no longer normal.

-2k for a ventilation system -6k to have a heat pump instead of gas -Then only 20k missing and you could upgrade from KFW55 to KFW40 -and since we have a heat pump, best to add the photovoltaic system for 10-15k and then the battery storage. -But please don't forget that when building a house you always need a buffer.

No matter what project volume you talk about, money can only be spent once and then it's gone. Then to say that at 350k it is no longer a neck breaker I find very ignorant. To stick with energy saving: maybe someone wants to build a KFW40 house instead of KFW55 + photovoltaics?
 

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