Air-water heat pump including ventilation system vs. brine heat pump including ventilation system

  • Erstellt am 2018-05-31 08:51:45

Alex85

2018-05-31 10:53:50
  • #1
I am not so sure about the supposedly low additional costs yet. It sounds like the offer for the air-water heat pump includes a central ventilation system (probably a combination unit, but the piping is what costs the money and not the device), but not for the brine-water heat pump. That is easily a value of €10,000 less.
 

Bauer2018

2018-05-31 12:39:58
  • #2
I know, of course, that the ventilation system is independent of the choice of heating system. However, with the [Sole-Wasser-Wärmepumpe] there would be the possibility of a decentralized ventilation system... but I am also rather skeptical about it. The ventilation would then be ensured through window rebate openings. The small price differences result from the subsidy from the [BAFA]. With the [Luft-Wasser-Wärmepumpe] there is 2,500 euros and with the [Sole-Wasser-Wärmepumpe] 5,000 euros. This results in the small additional costs of about 1,500 euros. What is the deal with the soil type? How do I know that the ground will “recover” quickly again? Best regards Bauer2018
 

montessalet

2018-05-31 12:56:39
  • #3
I would always recommend the brine heat pump if it is allowed: the additional costs are manageable today (it was completely different 20 years ago). Our existing house has a brine heat pump. The follow-up costs are really very low and the heating works completely trouble-free. Such a "box" outside would simply bother me - apart from any possible noise disturbance. That is completely eliminated with the brine.
 

ruppsn

2018-05-31 13:10:09
  • #4
No offense, but the statement is simply wrong in such a generalization. The brine heat pump stands and falls with the development of the heat source and its costs. These are, for example, very different regionally for a deep borehole. About half a year ago, I posted my offer for the drilling here in Franconia. The drilling was about 15k. The heat pump itself, i.e., the unit, is comparable, but not the development. And from the 15k, you can deduct the 5k subsidy if you want, leaving you with 10k additional costs that do not amortize nearly as quickly. Regarding the regeneration capacity: the ground apparently regenerates through precipitation and moisture – that's how a geologist once explained it to us. So if the soil can hardly absorb precipitation (clay) and/or it rarely rains, it can become problematic. This has already become an issue for a few builders of our architectural firm. They insisted on a brine-water heat pump despite warnings and are now struggling because under the mentioned circumstances, not enough energy can be extracted from the ground. Not to be misunderstood now: I would also always rely on a brine-water heat pump if it would reasonably pay off here and the conditions were right. Unfortunately, they are not. But the idea that the brine-water heat pump is a universal tool and always works everywhere is simply not correct, and I want to raise awareness for that. In most cases, however, it should be a good solution if the additional costs for the drilling are within limits. And again, the local situation plays a role here. Can you get by with one borehole because you are allowed to go deep enough? Or do you have to fraction, for example, drill 4 or even 6 boreholes, which is significantly more expensive.
 

ruppsn

2018-05-31 13:14:56
  • #5
To my knowledge, there is no subsidy for the air-water heat pump in new buildings, and if there was, it was rather around 1,500 euros, right? With Smart Grid support, there is an additional 500 euros on top, if I remember correctly. Please check that again. Regardless: would you like to provide the figures without subsidies for the air-water heat pump (excluding controlled residential ventilation) and the brine-water heat pump (excluding controlled residential ventilation), including the ancillary costs for the development of the heat source in the case of the brine-water heat pump? I am not quite clear yet on how the calculation is supposed to work here.
 

ruppsn

2018-05-31 13:16:53
  • #6
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