Construction costs are currently skyrocketing

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WilderSueden

2023-06-14 16:10:42
  • #1

It doesn't seem to be that far off. Nordanney is also bringing his house from the 60s into the modern age, and I doubt he is putting money in purely out of hobby. I also deliberately left out a concrete number at this point. It is clear that the big jump is from 300 to 80 kWh and any further optimization then has an increasingly unfavorable cost-benefit ratio. But costs do not scale linearly either.
By the way, dealing with average values doesn't help anyone. Anyone insulating the facade will not stop at 6cm just because they have reached the average of all buildings, but will use more material. The effort for bonding and plastering remains the same, whether it is 6cm or 16cm insulation.


I can partly understand that, and I also have little understanding for the back and forth in politics while at the same time creating artificial time pressure (before the summer break, starting 2024...). I am also annoyed by the strong focus on heat generation instead of the building envelope.
But when you look at the end goal, net zero in 20-30 years, it should be clear to everyone that this cannot be achieved with a few small improvements. This is a major effort for the whole country. That has been clear for a long time if one wanted to listen.


Sure. As long as it's abstractly about "more climate protection," everyone is for it. As soon as it concerns their own wallet, everyone thinks someone else should pay for it. Cognitive dissonance and the St. Florian principle, after all. This is true for every specific measure proposed so far. Whether wind farms or power lines nearby, driving or flying less, driving more efficient cars, insulating houses...
Only photovoltaic systems on one’s own roof seem to receive approval. At least as long as the bill for the feed-in tariff is not shown separately as a Renewable Energy Act surcharge.
 

Trademark

2023-06-14 16:25:15
  • #2


If we are talking about a completely unrenovated property. Then, just because of the maintenance reserve, one should have between 100k and 150k ready to resolve the backlog of renovation, and investing such an amount in a house without it having positive energetic effects is simply unrealistic. Even in the conservative calculation, before the whole inflation spiral, something in the range of 1€ per m² per year was considered. If the house has 150 m² and is 50 years old, you can roughly see what is necessary for its upkeep.



Could you clarify that? I am not quite up to date with the currently starting regulations, what else besides heating adjustments is additionally planned.
 

leschaf

2023-06-14 16:47:18
  • #3
We also bought a house with energy class G (240/sqm) and end up after renovation at B (68/sqm) for the final energy demand (new roof, new windows, insulated basement ceiling, 8cm external insulation from the mid-90s remains).

And on topic, we have the last major item of our renovation on offer: painting work.

Prices net:

Inside:
Felt plaster including primer, grain size 1-1.5mm: 15€/sqm
2 coats with silicate paint: 7€/sqm
Sanding floorboards (3 passes) and varnishing: 30€/sqm
Baseboard: 8€/m

Exterior painting: 2x primer + 2x coating with silicate paint: 16€/sqm

Work charged by the hour: 45€

We found that relatively fair. Previously, we did not accept an offer where the prices were significantly higher (e.g. coatings with silicate paint 10€/sqm). That was almost 40% more expensive with spatula application instead of plastering.
 

Trademark

2023-06-14 16:50:39
  • #4


Okay, so they either had a relatively new heating system or a relatively old one when they moved in.

In the first case, they have built up reserves over the past eight years accordingly, since the heating system that was new back then is now older.
In the second case, it was clear that the heating system would need to be replaced sooner or later. Appropriate reserves should have been made for that.

When you talk about €50,000 and heat pump suitability, I assume a renovation to an efficiency house? You can get a KFW loan at 0.01% interest with a 10-year fixed interest period.
 

Winniefred

2023-06-14 17:16:08
  • #5
Yes, if you qualify for a KFW level with that. But usually, you have to do everything at once for that. We recently had to finance our €48,000 at about 5% because despite all measures, we couldn’t achieve a KFW house, and then the KFW loan is off the table. You then pay several thousand euros in interest on top. You just have to be able to afford it all.
 

Ytong2023

2023-06-14 18:28:51
  • #6
Anyone building a house today assumes a service life between 50 and 70 years. Actually quite little in historical comparison. I don’t believe that the builders of Gründerzeit villas in the big cities assumed such a short remaining service life.

And if we consider that the apartments in these houses, built and planned 150 years ago, are still enjoying growing popularity today, then it wasn’t all that bad.

How do you want to renovate in cities with historical building fabric? For example, I have seen enough in Nuremberg how hundred-year-old sandstone facades with 60 cm wall thickness were then packed again in 15 cm of Styrofoam to be irretrievably lost.

And not primarily to improve energy efficiency but to adjust the rents upwards.

If one had always followed such fantasies as those of Habeck, there would be no half-timbered towns or historic inner cities or building ensembles left today.

While we’re at it. Is there legal certainty for citizens as well? Can I legally demand a district heating connection? Or does the connection and mandatory usage, which has long existed, only apply to the state?

Now they are promoting direct electric heating again. We already had that 40 years ago. And most people also know where electricity prices are headed. They certainly won’t fall anymore.
 

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