Construction costs are currently skyrocketing

2021-10-29 10:02:37

The question is why we impose taboo topics and only say "can't be done, too expensive, dependent on others." Of course, my ideas are not fully developed and thought through in detail. I just want to point out that we need to be creative and innovative in order to shape our future.

I agree with you and am convinced that research and development can find a solution for every (!) problem. After decades of working in a research institution, I belong to the believers in science. Whether the solutions are implemented in a socially acceptable way and whether sufficient research funds are made available is then again a political question, on which we can at least partially influence by our voting behavior.

2021-10-29 10:25:44

I agree with you and am convinced that research and development can find a solution for every (!) problem.

I assume this refers to the field of technology, then I am (almost) on board, because research and development are also subject to the laws of mathematics. The real crux is what is described as a problem. We are moving in a system that is systemically dependent on economic growth. As long as "growth" and "prosperity" are defined as untouchable, no research and development can find a solution that permanently reduces resource consumption in such a way that we only use the resources that are sustainably available to us. Whether energy, water, or soil – uncontrolled resource consumption is the real problem. The Earth Overshoot Day was July 29 this year. It is mathematically impossible to continue to rely on growth and prosperity in combination with a rapidly growing humanity and at the same time solve the problem of overshoot. So we solve many partial problems that we make into tasks.

2021-10-29 10:33:06

Whatever we understand by "prosperity" is a matter of socialization. I personally find it quite grotesque to work ten, twelve hours a day to earn money for the mindfulness seminar on the weekend.

2021-10-29 12:08:06

Construction prices have increased, for example, by 20% over the past two years.
Then climate protection has only contributed a minor role to this 20% increase.
The relevant factors were:
- disproportionate demand (also due to Corona, the desire for one’s own four walls or own garden, etc.)
- on the other hand, general contractors already have fully booked order books and remain fully occupied even with price increases
- shortage of skilled workers
- raw material delivery problems and material price increases
- land prices

We ourselves issued and awarded tenders in 2017-2018. Even back then, you couldn’t really negotiate because of the full order books. But at least you used to get 4 offers for 5 inquiries. And then you could still choose with whom to work.
Today I have the feeling (from stories here in the construction area or from friends and coworkers) that for 5 inquiries you get at most 1 offer and almost have to accept it at any price, otherwise someone else will take it.

Can someone who is currently building on their own or requesting offers report?
How many offers for how many inquiries?

These would be the really interesting questions regarding the thread title (construction costs are soaring). The esotericism debate on climate protection on the last pages does not really help anyone here and might be a reason for a separate thread?!

For us, it is similar to what you described: contacted 12 construction companies in the area, received 1 "normal" offer plus 1 "coerced" offer from a construction company known to the site manager (tender plus individual awarding).
HLS is personally known to us, he currently no longer accepts inquiries from unknown third parties (not existing customers or personally known).
It will not get better for other trades. Very difficult situation and absolutely frustrating.

2021-10-29 12:39:01

These would be the really interesting questions related to the thread title (construction costs are skyrocketing). The esotericism debate on climate protection in the last pages doesn't really help anyone here and would be a reason for a separate thread?!

Exactly. It is clear that climate protection is ONE element in the topic of rising construction prices. However, the lengthy (pseudo-scientific) outpourings are of little help. Ignoring all other factors for that is highly questionable. Apparently, climate protection and the CO2 discussion obviously are not worth a separate thread.....

2021-10-29 13:12:22

I believe much would be achieved if subsidies and bureaucratic monsters were eliminated. Everything is overregulated, and if something has been overregulated, it is not abolished but rather counteracted with even more money. Also in construction. I wonder what some prices would be like without [Förderungen].

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