Construction costs are currently skyrocketing

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WilderSueden

2022-10-04 22:39:18
  • #1
Fortunately, I receive proper funding for this through the KfW. Otherwise, yes, it is expensive. In the medium term, however, it will be unavoidable anyway; anyone starting in BW now has to install photovoltaic panels, and other federal states will surely follow soon.
 

askforafriend

2022-10-04 22:45:09
  • #2
Super and nice that [Staatsgeld] is still being added
 

WilderSueden

2022-10-04 22:56:18
  • #3
Honestly, I find it obscene that €40,000 is being funded with taxpayer money. But I’m not rich enough to just give away money, especially not in that amount. The jump from decent KfW55 to 40 wasn't really that complicated, and since photovoltaics were more or less a given back then (almost 2 years ago), the battery was then included for free. As an ordoliberal, I also believe that we don't need the nitpicking because it creates wrong incentives. Batteries, geothermal drilling in low-energy houses, KNX gimmicks, outrageously expensive combination units for controlled residential ventilation and air-water heat pumps. What would be more important is a long-term thinking policy that creates clear framework conditions instead of the regulation of the year. And photovoltaics have actually been a self-runner for quite some time. Until the combination of supply chains, exploding electricity costs, and photovoltaics obligation came along. Now there are only astronomical prices.
 

kati1337

2022-10-04 23:08:54
  • #4


It always depends on consumption. Double home office + heat pump. For 15k I can’t buy electricity for that many years. We currently have a monthly installment of €185, without the heat pump yet. So the trend is rising. With your 15k you’d get about 6.75 years, with a heat pump even less time.

I had calculated our last system very pessimistically and thought it would only pay off after 15 years. In practice, very different values came out than we expected. We broke the €1000 savings mark in just over a year, purely in electricity costs that we otherwise would have had to buy. We had estimated about 35% self-consumption, but with heat pump, air conditioning, and home office, we mostly ended up at 50-60%. That pays off quickly.

The system back then was only 4.55 kWp and we actually paid the general contractor €9200 gross, which was too expensive (for the standards back then). Nevertheless, the performance convinced us so much—not least in spring and autumn, where good synergies with the heat pump appeared—that we are planning a larger system for the new house.

The only thing I’m still not convinced about is the storage technologies. I still find the storage too expensive for the projected lifespan and the experiences with battery wear and tear that you have, as well as the warranty. With photovoltaics, maybe an inverter breaks after 10 years, but you can replace that reasonably cheaply. Usually nothing happens to the modules; they last forever.

By the way, my parents participated in the “1000 Roofs Program” back in the day, if anyone still remembers. There was definitely a feed-in tariff of 99 pfennigs per kWh. My mother received that until recently (now about 50 cents). Then unfortunately the 20 years expired, and the grid operator unfortunately cut it off. :D It was, of course, still a small system from those times—but it still runs today (after more than 20 years) with the first inverter. Nothing ever went wrong with it.
 

WilhelmRo

2022-10-05 09:06:14
  • #5

For me, the calculation was quite simple:
25k€ for photovoltaic 10kWp, storage 12kWp and inverter + installation
17k€ VW e-UP
10000 kWh/a
4000 kWh (house from photovoltaic) (6000 kWh purchased) = 10,000 kWh
1500 kWh (car from photovoltaic) (500 kWh purchased) = 2000 kWh
Saved:
House:
4000 kWh * €0.30 = €1200
4500 kWh * €0.10 = €450
One-time tax refund: ~€4000 (19% VAT)
Subsidy: €1000
Total: €1650/a
Car:
1500 kWh ~ 750 l diesel * €2.00 = €1500
Tax-free: €300/a
GHG bonus: €300/a

Invested:
Photovoltaic + storage (2020):
20k€ / €1650/a = 12.1 years
Car not included.

Photovoltaic + storage (2022)
32k€ - 5000€ (VAT) = 27k€
27k€ / €1650/a = 16.4 years
Looking at Check24: the kWh costs €0.5

4000 kWh * €0.5 = €2000
27k€ / €2450/a = 11 years

Over the summer, the 12kWh storage was always between 90%-100%.
With the e-car, I pull another 60% from the storage 5 days a week and thus increase my self-consumption.
In winter, I buy electricity (hence the 500 kWh).

Regards
 

se_na_23

2022-10-05 09:22:34
  • #6


Let's wait and see... they all currently have other things to think about, otherwise I would have expected this as of 2023...
 

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