Construction costs are currently skyrocketing

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WilderSueden

2022-10-05 09:48:49
  • #1
That will come faster than you think. Even more uncontrollable energy combined with general electrification is supposed to be the way out of the crisis after all
 

Oetti

2022-10-05 10:49:24
  • #2


What do you suggest as an alternative? We now have a small photovoltaic system at home - I really like it. In summer, we were completely self-sufficient at times. For a few weeks now, we also have a hybrid car. So far, we have driven 90% purely electric and I am really glad not to have to go to the gas station all the time anymore. From my point of view, electrification here is a real gain.

Honestly: decentralized energy generation will gain more and more importance in the future.
 

tokoman

2022-10-05 11:00:23
  • #3
I fully agree with you in summer. Unfortunately, it will look completely different in winter. You can only make a statement about the usefulness when you take stock in March. In winter, after work the sun no longer shines where you can still charge your car, and you will have to buy electricity expensively from the grid...
 

Oetti

2022-10-05 11:20:00
  • #4
Expensive is always relative. Our family car consumes on average 8.5 liters of diesel, which at current prices is about 17.00 euros per 100 km. The hybrid consumes purely electrically 20 kWh, which costs 5.00 euros with our electricity provider. What we still lack in Germany at the moment is a way to store surplus electricity produced decentrally at peak times. I find pumped storage power plants rather unattractive here due to space requirements. I have high hopes for conversion into hydrogen.
 

WilderSueden

2022-10-05 11:20:49
  • #5
The problem is as follows: in the past, electricity production was quite well controllable, and while consumption had certain fluctuations, these were limited and relatively predictable. Now we have shifted a large part of controllable production to uncontrollable wind and solar power. For that alone, we must maintain expensive, quickly controllable gas power plants, storage, and enormous overcapacities of wind and solar, otherwise the lights will go out. At the same time, we are encouraging households and businesses to install photovoltaic systems on their roofs, which are also uncontrollable. You are practically self-sufficient in summer and in winter when the sun shines during mild weather (and solar power is also cheap and plentiful). In unfavorable weather (cold, dark), consumption rises due to heat pumps, while photovoltaic production drops to very little. The scenarios of high grid demand due to low self-production and low production in the grid are strongly correlated. This cannot be balanced solely by so-called renewable energies, even if we ignore the fact that in the future millions of commuters will plug their electric cars into the grid at 6 p.m.

And here comes the crux. For the individual, of course, having photovoltaic systems is an advantage. I also assume that in the summer half-year, we will practically manage without grid power. However, for the system as a whole, these increased and strongly correlated fluctuations cannot be good. End customers, of course, do not see the enormous effort required to compensate for these fluctuations. And this will not get better if we want to generate less electricity from gas and at the same time phase out coal and nuclear power. Storing electricity is difficult, especially on a large scale. The best we have so far are pumped-storage power plants, and the capacity for further expansion there is limited. Everything else is not truly market-ready and likely will not be for the next 10 years. For me, this is a commons problem. The individual picks the cherries (solar power when the sun shines) and leaves the general problem of producing electricity at night or during dark doldrums to the community.
 

tokoman

2022-10-05 11:29:07
  • #6
That's exactly how it is...

The most sensible way to switch to green electricity is the splitting of CO2 or the storage of CO2 emitted by coal power plants. The processes for this are technically advanced. The irregular fluctuating power can be well used for this. For grid security, it is pure poison.
 

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