se_na_23
2023-06-16 21:41:26
- #1
I personally can't imagine any incentive that would make me leave my property in which I have lived for decades... Sorry.
Maybe others can
Maybe others can
Construction costs are currently skyrocketing
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pfälzerwein
2023-06-16 21:57:06
- #2
The incentive to drive the elderly out of their homes will be massively rising costs and fees.
Property tax, electricity costs, insurance, fees such as water, wastewater, stormwater, or even garbage. Added to that is the indirect obligation to renovate, and the dream of a carefree retirement is dead.
Perhaps it will also be inheritance tax or a yet-to-come wealth tax.
But it's very interesting to see how mood and division are now being stirred up against pensioners. A real debate about envy is being conducted.
I'm a bit surprised now, considering we are supposed to be such a woke, open, and liberal society.
And no one is preventing the four-person family from building a fancy city villa. After all, we are a free country.
Property tax, electricity costs, insurance, fees such as water, wastewater, stormwater, or even garbage. Added to that is the indirect obligation to renovate, and the dream of a carefree retirement is dead.
Perhaps it will also be inheritance tax or a yet-to-come wealth tax.
But it's very interesting to see how mood and division are now being stirred up against pensioners. A real debate about envy is being conducted.
I'm a bit surprised now, considering we are supposed to be such a woke, open, and liberal society.
And no one is preventing the four-person family from building a fancy city villa. After all, we are a free country.
WilderSueden
2023-06-16 22:25:09
- #3
I just meant that this is how it is and who can afford to live here. It was asked where families can live – definitely not in 30% of the houses.
However, many of the old residents probably could no longer afford it at today's prices either. They were just lucky to buy/build at different times. Especially around Munich, it is often forgotten that before the sharp price increase there were many years of stagnation and even value losses (and yes, the graph is missing the really sharp rise of the last 10 years, but unfortunately I couldn't find anything better with a long time series quickly)
xMisterDx
2023-06-16 23:16:01
- #4
It's always the same debate with the same biting reflexes. But unfortunately, it leads nowhere.
The young people in 20 years will then tell us what they think about paying 30% pension contributions plus at least the federal budget... basically nothing.
It would be nice if the older people realized that life primarily revolves around the next generation or should revolve around it... but that didn't work even during Corona...
It should also be in the interest of pensioners, by the way. Because if young people have no desire to work anymore since they can't afford a home even with the best job, then there will be no pension anymore.
Because the current pension is generated by those who work. Increasingly precariously, increasingly by people who actually live with 2 children in 65m².
Pensioners tend to forget that.
And no. Just because you have built something up, you do not have the right to tear it down with your butt again.
The young people in 20 years will then tell us what they think about paying 30% pension contributions plus at least the federal budget... basically nothing.
It would be nice if the older people realized that life primarily revolves around the next generation or should revolve around it... but that didn't work even during Corona...
It should also be in the interest of pensioners, by the way. Because if young people have no desire to work anymore since they can't afford a home even with the best job, then there will be no pension anymore.
Because the current pension is generated by those who work. Increasingly precariously, increasingly by people who actually live with 2 children in 65m².
Pensioners tend to forget that.
And no. Just because you have built something up, you do not have the right to tear it down with your butt again.
Sunshine387
2023-06-16 23:17:44
- #5
Of course, one must not forget that wages in 1990 were completely different. That is often forgotten. And the interest rates were also significantly higher than they are now. Not everyone could afford real estate back then, and that is the case again today. The people who bought/financed between 2010 and 2020 were partially benefited by the low interest rates. Some of the people could only afford the 200 m2 city villa without equity.
Bookstar87
2023-06-16 23:28:54
- #6
It’s always the same debate with the same biting reflexes. But unfortunately, it leads nowhere.
The young people in 20 years will then tell us what they think about paying 30% pension contributions plus at least the federal budget... namely nothing.
It would be nice if the older generation realized that life primarily revolves around the next generation or should revolve around it... but that didn’t work even during Corona...
It should also be in the interest of the pensioners, by the way. Because if young people no longer want to work, because even with the best job they can’t afford a place to live, then there will be no pension either.
Because the current pension is earned by those who work. Increasingly precariously, increasingly by people who actually live with 2 children in 65m².
Pensioners tend to forget that.
And no. Just because someone has built something up doesn’t mean they have the right to tear it down with their butt.
Please don’t pity the youth. They are currently ruining their own future in every respect. They have to face the consequences of their actions, and a big one is that they will be able to afford less. This especially affects the standard of living. Then you just have to be satisfied with 30m2 as a single person and 70m2 as a family. That shouldn’t be a problem, right?