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kati1337

2023-05-15 22:19:02
  • #1
I generally find it difficult to single people out in a group discussion. People get quoted and you can only read part of it (I assume, haven't tested it), and in general a conversation can quickly seem fragmented if individual posts are missing in between. I can also quite well ignore things manually. =)
 

Bausparfuchs

2023-05-15 22:32:34
  • #2
It is the lack of ability to distinguish between natural science, other branches of science, expressions of opinion by scientists, and statements by third parties about opinions of scientists, which were previously equated with science.

That is absolute nonsense. Anyone who does not fit into the mainstream is mercilessly crushed. That is the reality. There is no proof of man-made climate change. A scientist who publicly questions it and can also prove it is immediately pushed into a corner and ostracized. That is a dictatorship of opinion. It is just like having to listen to the green nonsense on DLF every day. Here and elsewhere there is only this one irreversible opinion.

But take Prof. Bakhdi or Luc Montagnier. The latter a Nobel laureate and discoverer of the AIDS virus. Prof. Bakhdi is a virologist and was a professor at the University of Mainz for many years and trained many scientific staff who now work at Biontech.

Both warned about the dangerous side effects of the mRNA vaccines. Bakhdi explained this publicly in great detail right at the beginning of the vaccination campaign.

Both scientists were defamed and marginalized in the worst way. Bakhdi faces charges of incitement to hatred. Montagnier has meanwhile died due to age.

While the Ärztezeitung still honors him, Die Zeit labeled him a crank and right-wing extremist corona denier and lateral thinker.

In May 2021, he further fueled the spread of false information about COVID-19 vaccines. Earlier in the year, in an opinion article in the Wall Street Journal, together with Yale law professor Jed Rubenfeld, he criticized the vaccination mandates of US President Joe Biden.

For example, writes the Tagesspiegel. I can personally distinguish and evaluate. The statements of an insignificant German left-populist rubbish paper or a distinguished Nobel laureate.

For many vaccinated people, however, it would have been better not to listen to the German mainstream media for once, but simply to use their own brain.
 

Bookstar87

2023-05-15 22:55:45
  • #3
I am not surprised, it was a small experiment on my part. The reactions reflect reality. At first, people denounce with buzzwords like conspiracy theory or denier. When that is not enough, calls for canceling and ignoring come.

This is exactly how the last three years could happen at all, with people being excluded and partly driven to death by hate speech.

It works on a small scale as well as on a large one, in this forum with a clear green bias even easier. Thanks to everyone who participated, whether voluntarily or not.
 

kati1337

2023-05-15 22:56:37
  • #4
Yes there is By the majority, yes, because he is wrong. You cannot prove something that is false. No. Everyone is allowed to have even the dumbest opinion. No one has to. With yours, that makes two. I personally doubt that. Are we already dead?
 

Benutzer 1001

2023-05-15 23:38:23
  • #5
I accidentally found your Duran Duran profile on MSN. There you have the opportunity to view your posts. Unfortunately, the link is not allowed to be posted here. I only want to say one thing about it, you cannot be a normal person, no one person alone can manage to write so much dirt.
 

chand1986

2023-05-16 05:29:27
  • #6

So I describe something. Directly related to that, you write a textbook example of exactly what I described. Introduced with the words: That is absolute nonsense.

The point of my comment was to show that natural science as a method has nothing to do with opinions – and conversely, opinions are not natural science. Even if they are opinions of natural scientists. That is very easy to understand, isn’t it? And it leads to the fact that scientific discourse is, of course, a dictatorship, namely the dictatorship of evidence. Whoever cannot prove something through measurements, or claims something that even contradicts measurements, is out. The freedom to hold any opinion whatsoever does not exist in natural scientific discourse, as it is excluded by the methodology itself from the outset. If it were otherwise, it would no longer be scientific methodology.

And precisely for this reason, people who, as scientists, hold an opinion that contradicts existing evidence are expelled from natural scientific discourse. Because they are not working scientifically.

For man-made climate change, there is indeed very much evidence (plural), which goes back to the first half of the 19th century. At that time, the greenhouse effect was first described. But back then, there was no green lobby, no environmental protection mentality of modern kind, industrialization was still in its infancy. At the end of the 19th century, Nobel laureate Svante Arrhenius even wanted to ignite coal seams to slightly warm the world by CO2. The Swede wanted more efficient agriculture in his cool homeland.

Proof A: Meanwhile, the interactions of greenhouse gases with thermal radiation at certain frequencies have been spectroscopically measured. Millions of times, in the laboratory, in the real atmosphere, from the ground, weather balloons, satellites.

Proof B: CO2 is measurable and verifiably such a greenhouse gas.

Proof C: The additional CO2 above 280 ppm was emitted by humanity. This can be seen from the fact that the proportion of CO2 with C13 measurably decreases – it is measurably less utilized in photosynthesis by plants and thus also less in fossil fuels. Additionally, pure logic: Humanity has in fact burned a lot of fossil fuels, and the production of CO2 in this process is verifiable and well known. This CO2 must be somewhere and cannot simply disappear.

Proof D: Deduction from the natural laws recognized so far: One can directly derive the warming effect of additional greenhouse gases from the fundamental laws. If there were no warming, the natural laws (here thermodynamics and quantum mechanics) would be wrong. But they prove their correctness billions of times every day.

Whoever (scientist or not, it does not matter) holds the opinion that A – D are incorrect must prove it. Because there is an incredible amount of evidence for the opposite and because scientific methodology simply requires it.
No one ever has. There are a few who claim they have. They are refuted on their way to breakfast cereal by people with expertise – my casual expertise is enough here. They themselves do not understand it, nor does their fanbase. But this does not make the refutation any less valid.

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And now I’ll put the bracket on: Then here, too, a few very few people come along and demonstrate how they cannot distinguish science as a method from exchange of opinions. And when I explain that, multiple times, easily verifiable elsewhere, what happens? Nothing. Nothing moves in the head, the same lament is simply repeated again and again.

That is the lack of self-reflection! And self-deception, since not even having to think about oneself from an external perspective goes so far that one simply presents it as a “test” in front of oneself and others. Which, of course, ended exactly as expected – what else?

By the way, I am against canceling and for contradicting. The quality of the contradiction may then be assessed by others.
 
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