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2021-12-19 13:38:21

My recently purchased electric vehicle (after careful consideration of what I really! need) has a realistic range in winter of about 170 km (MX30 with 35.5 kWh battery). Most electric vehicles have more, namely about a 50-60 kWh battery. 70-80% of that is easily enough for many. Of course not for everyone, just as my vehicle "only" suffices for 98% of trips. For the other trips I can fortunately rely on a combustion engine ;)

But I agree with you on almost everything. Electric drive yes, as storage I currently consider the methane fuel cell rather promising based on my current knowledge. Also, measures should be implemented carefully and with moderation. A technological change cannot be implemented overnight. But you have to start ...

2021-12-19 13:41:03

What Nordlys perceives here as a "totalitarian" intervention, I (much younger) have already known as politeness (a very old virtue): I discard words from my usage that entire ethnic groups say offend them.

Thank you very much for your attempt at mediation, but who is acting in this spirit here? From whom do vocabulary such as dictatorship fantasies, eco-warriors, world salvation war, totalitarian project, gender disciples, silenced come? And what purpose does that serve? I do not take that on myself either, but that is exactly the 'putting in the corner' which you — reading between the lines — assume as the 'cause of anger'. And for me, that is not a question of lacking discussion culture or rhetoric, but of attitude: if one is really interested in dialogue, such derailments do not happen. Even if in individual cases one expresses oneself unfortunately.

2021-12-19 13:41:32

70-80% of them with longer charging cycles etc. are simply terrible and unsustainable.

First of all, there are no electric cars so old that their batteries are already down to only 80% capacity. On the other hand, I find it a bit exaggerated to call a small car with - let's say - 200 km range, which I simply recharge overnight again, "terrible." That would be sufficient for an estimated 90% of all trips. For the two trips per year that are longer, one can just rent a large electric car. Or, if you belong to the endurance-capable who absolutely want to race 1000 km non-stop without a break, then a diesel.
A LITTLE rethinking and maybe also - during the transition period - a LITTLE limitation. Yes, maybe we have to do that if we want to survive.

2021-12-19 13:48:35

I want to set aside the really extreme opinions for now. I agree with you on that. Fanatics can and should stay on the sidelines. For me, it’s much more about the many millions of people from trades and similar sectors. Those who have to slog daily for shelter, food, and health. There is very little time and energy to realize that measures (whichever they may be), for example for climate protection, are necessary. And it is the fundamental task of politics to reach out to these people and involve them. To perceive and take seriously the fears of these people. And to take appropriate measures so that the small family does not suddenly have to pay 200€ heating costs a month for their 80sqm apartment. What we see here on the last pages is what we see everywhere in society and politics. And that is simply wrong. If we label people as uneducated and exclude them from public discourse, everyone loses. By the way, these are exactly the people who form the backbone of society.

Agreed. I only see one specific problem: Because the ruling politics do not provide the involvement you rightly demand in sufficient measure (whether that is even possible, if yes how, or if it is simply incompetence: remains to be seen), extreme marginal opinions get a platform and an influx thanks to alternative media that far exceeds the number of their genuine hardcore followers. So it is above all about the fact that unfounded doubts about many things gain an extremely large space. And it is added that counterarguments are often dismissed because they come "from the wrong people": governments, Drosten, some organization or person who "one has always known to be bought." Do I have to include or exclude such things? Do I have to have understanding because someone works a lot and/or gets little out of it? Which fears must I take seriously, which not? I cannot just have understanding for every crap that can be found on the internet today – otherwise I won’t get anything done trying to be understanding for everything. I find that difficult. I don’t want to exclude anyone, but I do it myself as well because otherwise I don’t get anything done. And just like that I have "confirmed" that those I have excluded are definitely right – otherwise I could have discussed with them. Perverse. How do you proceed in such a case? I don’t know!

2021-12-19 13:54:04

Agreement. I only see one specific problem: Because the ruling politicians do not provide the involvement you rightly demand to a sufficient degree (whether this is even possible, if so how, or whether it is simply incompetence: remains to be seen), the extreme fringe opinions gain a platform and support thanks to alternative media far beyond the number of their genuine hardcore followers.
So it is mainly about the fact that unfounded doubts about many things receive an extremely large space. And it is added that counterarguments are often dismissed because they come "from the wrong people": governments, Drosten, some organization or person "that one has always known to be bought."
Do I have to include or exclude something like that? Do I have to be understanding because someone works a lot and/or achieves little? Which fears must I take seriously, which not? I cannot be understanding for every crap you can find on the internet today – otherwise, with all that understanding for everything, I wouldn’t get anything done when trying to achieve goals.

I find that difficult. I don’t want to exclude anyone, but I do it myself because otherwise, I get nowhere. And then I have "confirmed" that those I exclude are definitely right – otherwise, I could have discussed with them. Perverse.

How do you proceed there? I don’t know!

Neither do I. It’s also not my job. Nor that of science. But that of the politicians. And unfortunately, they often get it exactly wrong.

2021-12-19 13:55:11

For one, there are no electric cars old enough for the batteries to already be down to only 80% performance. On the other hand, I find it a bit exaggerated to call a small car with - let's say - 200 km range, which I simply recharge overnight, "terrible." That would be sufficient for an estimated 90% of all trips. For the two trips per year that are longer, you can just rent a large electric car. Or, if you belong to those willing to endure who absolutely want to race 1000 km in one go without breaks, then a diesel.
A LITTLE rethinking and maybe also - during the transition period - a LITTLE restriction. Yes, maybe we have to do that if we want to survive.

Do you have to restrict yourself, or can you mostly cushion that with a good salary?

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