Wait with the building application because of the child construction allowance

Utility room? Staircase, hallway? All usable space?

Yes, that's how I see it too! If the 140sqm limit comes, then the room upstairs is a utility room with washing machine/dryer, etc. I can't expect my wife to go down to the basement every time.

Who wants to prove it to me then.

Then the terrace will be fudged smaller and that's that.

As I said before, the architect will fix it.

The 140sqm limit will come, because 120sqm is a joke.

§ 2 Floor Areas Belonging to the Living Space
(1) The living space of an apartment includes the floor areas of the rooms that belong exclusively to this apartment. The living space of a dormitory includes the floor areas of the rooms designated for the exclusive and communal use by the residents.
(2) The living space also includes the floor areas of
1. conservatories, swimming pools and similar rooms closed on all sides as well as
2. balconies, loggias, roof gardens and terraces,
if they belong exclusively to the apartment or the dormitory.
(3) The floor areas of the following rooms do not belong to the living space:
1. accessory rooms, in particular:
a) cellar rooms,
b) storage rooms and cellar replacement rooms outside the apartment,
c) laundry rooms,
d) attic rooms,
e) drying rooms,
f) heating rooms and
g) garages,
2. rooms that do not meet the building code requirements of the federal states for their intended use, as well as
3. commercial rooms.
§ 3 Determination of the Floor Area
(1) The floor area is to be determined according to the clear dimensions between the structural components; the starting point is the front edge of the cladding of the structural components. If limiting structural components are missing, the structural boundary is to be used as a basis.
(2) In determining the floor area, the floor areas of the following are to be included in particular:
1. door and window claddings as well as door and window frames,
2. baseboards, skirting boards and chair rails,
3. permanently installed objects such as stoves, heating and air conditioning units, ovens, bathtubs or shower trays,
4. exposed installations,
5. built-in furniture and
6. non-fixed, movable room dividers.
(3) In determining the floor areas, the floor areas of the following shall be disregarded:
1. chimneys, facing walls, claddings, free-standing pillars and columns if they have a height of more than 1.50 meters and their floor area exceeds 0.1 square meters,
2. stairs with more than three risers and their landings,
3. door recesses and
4. window and open wall niches that do not extend down to the floor or extend down to the floor and are 0.13 meters or less deep.
§ 4 Credit of the Floor Areas
The floor areas
1. of rooms and room sections with a clear height of at least two meters are fully credited,
2. of rooms and room sections with a clear height of at least one meter and less than two meters are credited at half,
3. of unheated conservatories, swimming pools and similar rooms closed on all sides are credited at half,
4. of balconies, loggias, roof gardens and terraces are generally credited at a quarter, but no more than half.

§ 2 Floor areas belonging to the living space

(1) The living space of an apartment includes the floor areas of the rooms that belong exclusively to this apartment. The living space of a dormitory includes the floor areas of the rooms that are intended for the sole and communal use by the residents.
(2) The living space also includes the floor areas of
1.
conservatories, swimming pools, and similar rooms closed on all sides as well as
2.
balconies, loggias, roof gardens, and terraces,
if they belong exclusively to the apartment or the dormitory.
(3) The following rooms’ floor areas do not belong to the living space:
1. ancillary rooms, in particular:
a) cellar rooms,
b) storage rooms and cellar replacement rooms outside the apartment,
c) laundries,
d) attic rooms,
e) drying rooms,
f) heating rooms, and
g) garages,
2. rooms that do not meet the requirements of building regulations of the states applicable to their use, as well as
3. business rooms.
§ 3 Determination of the floor area

(1) The floor area is to be determined according to the clear dimensions between the components; the measurement is to be taken from the front edge of the cladding of the components. If limiting components are missing, the structural boundary is to be used.
(2) When determining the floor area, the floor areas of the following are to be included by name:
1. door and window claddings as well as door and window frames,
2. baseboards, skirtings, and scrim moldings,
3. built-in objects, such as stoves, heating and air-conditioning devices, cookers, bathtubs, or shower trays,
4. exposed installations,
5. fitted furniture, and
6. non-fixed, movable room dividers.
(3) When determining the floor area, the floor areas of the following are to be disregarded:
1. chimneys, front walls, claddings, free-standing pillars and columns if they exceed a height of more than 1.50 meters and their floor area exceeds 0.1 square meters,
2. stairs with more than three risers and their landings,
3. door recesses, and
4. window and open wall recesses that do not reach down to the floor or that reach down to the floor but are 0.13 meters or less deep.
§ 4 Credit for the floor areas

The floor areas
1. of rooms and parts of rooms with a clear height of at least two meters are credited fully,
2. of rooms and parts of rooms with a clear height of at least one meter and less than two meters are credited half,
3. of unheated conservatories, swimming pools, and similar rooms closed on all sides are credited half,
4. of balconies, loggias, roof gardens, and terraces are generally credited one quarter, but at most half.

Thanks.. yes, sometimes you’re faster when you help yourself

We’ll see if a utility room with 12 sqm is accepted as well (indirectly as a cellar replacement within the apartment)

So with 150 sqm including 20 sqm hallway / stairs, 10 sqm study (business room), and 12 sqm utility room, we might make it..

At first I didn’t even consider that the draft is supposed to be about the living space..
The main thing is that it will then be calculated according to the living space regulation and not according to DIN 277

Regards

Yes, I’m telling you. We have a living area of 138.69sqm without the terrace. The basement is not included in that. The 3rd children's room with 11.55sqm is now going to be a utility room. So we only have 127sqm of living area left. Suddenly I noticed that we are building with 42.5sqm brick after all and suddenly it’s 119.99sqm :-p

I find it interesting that from the SPD-led Ministry of Finance it is said that Seehofer agrees with the rules. Spiegel then claims to have a statement from Seehofer’s spokeswoman that he wants to increase the area limitation. At the same time, contrary to previous sources, it officially echoes on the website of the parliamentary group that this is all nonsense and must be rejected. In the meantime, it has turned again slightly, there is another statement from the deputy parliamentary group chair on the website, saying they do not want to "inappropriately restrict through too tight area specifications" - i.e. area specifications are now debatable after all? Then the previous statements had a half-life of 2 hours. In any case, there is a lot of fake again or they all do not know what they are doing. The living area calculation is part of the building application. Once that is submitted, there is nothing more to fake about it. Terraces are shown on the site plan and are also part of the building application. If the bank hears that suddenly there are 60 sqm (or whatever) less living area, the loan appraisal will fail. Just to add. Apart from the fact that it would be subsidy fraud. But that has to be decided by each person themselves. The living area ordinance serves the calculation of rental housing and is therefore not applicable for single-family homes here. Just a tip.

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Thanks.. yes sometimes you are faster when you help yourself

Let's see if a utility room with 12 sqm is also accepted (indirectly as a cellar replacement within the apartment)

So with 150 sqm we could come in with 20 sqm hallway / stairs, 10 sqm study (office) and 12 sqm utility room..

At first I didn’t even notice that the draft was supposed to be the living area..
The main thing is that it is then calculated according to the Living Space Ordinance and not according to DIN277

Regards

Hallways count!