House without garage and basement? Attic expansion? Lipoma?

  • Erstellt am 2015-06-24 19:59:16

Grym

2015-06-24 23:29:14
  • #1
I am currently reading in the green forum and it is mentioned there that such a [Fresswarze] costs around 25,000 EUR. That is good information. Whether it is 22k EUR or 28k EUR – the 25k EUR is a good benchmark and reason enough for us to do without something like that.

Garden furniture and the table are also stored at my parents’ place at the end of the season, in the basement. And taken out again at the beginning of the season. Whether I carry it up and down twice a year or carry it up and down two flights of stairs twice a year... That’s why I want to have a proper stairway to the attic if possible. But it depends on the costs.

I dealt with garages a bit today, yes. Only to come to the idea – isn’t it possible without one? At least concerning the cars, just so much in advance. But also because of other storage space? But what do all the 4-person families do with their 90-100 sqm new-build apartments and their tiny tiny basement compartments? Such apartments sell here like hotcakes at house prices (including land).
How many garden tools do I actually need? I don’t want to grow anything or have any maintenance-intensive plants. I’m not a gardening pro but I still think there must be a nice, low-maintenance garden. Lawnmower? Yes, a cute little robot please.

And now again about the [Fresswarze]. The [GÜ] I would go to also has some designs online. Some of them also with [Fresswarze]. But the unanimous opinion is mostly that [Fresswarzen] are rubbish. So why should I blindly go to that [GÜ], listen to what they tell me, etc.?
 

Legurit

2015-06-24 23:36:59
  • #2
No idea why you're talking about "Fresswarzen"... it doesn't make sense to me. What I took from your post: 1) "Fresswarzen" are expensive 2) many 90 sqm apartments are sold in Saxony 3) your parents store their garden furniture 4) you don't want to become a gardener (but still have to mow the lawn, trim the hedge, and sometimes pump up the bike tires (would look silly at the stylish bar with flat tires)

What I still don't know: 1) What are your needs? 2) What can / do / are you even allowed to build?!
 

Lassemann

2015-06-24 23:37:46
  • #3
Of course, it makes sense to have your own ideas. In any case, I wouldn't let a "creative" architect talk me into a flat roof just because he thinks it might suit my needs, even though I like a hip roof.
 

Grym

2015-06-24 23:53:37
  • #4
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Budget: Well, there really isn’t one. In the end, we (hopefully) won’t come close to maxing out any theoretical budget. The price/performance ratio has to be right. If such a glutton costs 25,000 EUR, then I’m not going to install one, even if we could afford it budget-wise. I also don’t drive the car I could afford at the maximum budget.

If the house ends up with all extras under 200k, that would be good. If we get something much better for 205k, then it will be 205k. If it comes to 185k in the end, we’ll be happy too. So far, we also have an offer for 180k for 134 sqm of living space with 2 full floors, and some extras that we want, but for example, a heat pump (preferably geothermal) instead of gas is not included there yet. If it ends up being 230k to get a satisfactory solution, then it will be 230k. Financing is no problem. But it still has to be paid off, and I’d rather be done paying at 39 than at 42 or 45.

Plot 600 sqm, 2 full floors or less, also bungalow. Floor area ratio 0.4. Gable roof, hip roof, tent roof. Plot orientation: south-southwest; entrance accordingly north-northeast. Nearly square. No building line/boundary – just a 3-meter clearance required.

Requirements: kitchen, living room, bathroom, 2 children’s rooms, hallway, utility room standard
Nice to have / depends on price: guest WC, children’s bathroom, walk-in closet, 3rd children’s room/initially office, work corner in the living area, open living/dining/kitchen/work area, finished attic, carport/garage, basement in thermal envelope with heating, ventilation, insulation, full height (ruled out because of the price; standard basement not desired), large utility room

I also find a city villa nicer visually, but if a gable roof house with attic offers significantly more utility for the same money, then better the gable roof house.

And this division into requirements and nice-to-have/depends-on-price continues with the technical details. I’d say a gas heating system heats as well, but a geothermal heat pump with cooling function and partial supply via one’s own photovoltaic system really has something. Electric shutters operated by switch also work, but a KNX system that I can program myself has really something, etc... or why not combine venetian blinds with shutters? Well, as I said, in the end, comfort gain and price have to be weighed against each other. I can also just take the clothes out of the closet, so a walk-in closet is not really necessary. Necessary is only a dry, mold-free, heated living and sleeping area and nothing more.
 

marv45

2015-06-24 23:56:44
  • #5
Aha....You constantly waver between comfort and a cheap solution, so you don't even know what you want yourself. But not knowing what you want and thinking you know better is not a good combination. Unfortunately, you also have no clue at all...and the help you actually need, you will not find in this kind of forum.
 

Legurit

2015-06-25 00:12:24
  • #6
If he/she is serious after all: Budget up to €230k Room program: Kitchen (9), Living (24), Dining (14), Utility room (13), Bedroom (13), 3 children's rooms (12), 2 bathrooms (9 and 6), 1 WC (2) ->126 sqm + 20% corridors and miscellaneous -> 150 sqm * €1500/sqm -> €225k just for the house without incidental building costs. You might get it a bit cheaper - probably depends on the specific offers. There are plenty of floor plans for city villas between 130 and 150 sqm - just take a look and see if you like something. I would only design one myself if it gives you increased pleasure or you absolutely find nothing. City villas are not that exciting, but I believe they meet the requirements of a family quite well and are probably not that demanding structurally (although I am taking a bit of a risk with that statement).
 

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