Bauhaus concrete villa with core insulation - experiences

hope you are feeling better again. Surely many things are more important right now, but I would also appreciate an update on your construction project.

But where I really drool: the Gaggenau appliances. Now that I see them again, I could kick myself once more that we ultimately decided on Miele.

Why exactly? What is so bad about Miele? Thanks.

Exposed concrete, did Covid catch you? My condolences, I hope you are feeling better!

Only indirectly, but thanks for the kind words! I have posted some recent pictures. Best regards

Why exactly? What is so bad about Miele? Thanks.

Sorry, I haven’t answered that yet:
Overall, I am not satisfied at all with the menu navigation via the touch screen. You can tap like crazy, but it just doesn’t work reliably. Especially when cooking and you don’t have clean and dry fingers, it happens to me often that I have to tap the desired function four or five times until the device finally deigns to do what I want. This makes many things simply impractical and hardly usable as they are supposed to be.
My worst negative example: setting a timer. First tap on “timer,” then the selection “alarm” or “timer” appears, then tap on “timer” again, then a screen with settings for hours, minutes, and seconds opens. Each of these fields must be selected individually by scrolling the numbers up or down, waiting until the value for hours is accepted, then you can set minutes, then seconds. Even if you usually don’t need hours, you’ve already wasted a good 30-60 seconds by then. If the “touch” doesn’t work the first time, as is often the case, you fiddle with it even longer. Finally confirm with “ok,” then the time starts running. This makes a SHORT timer absurd. There is also the possibility to enter the required number of hours, minutes, and seconds via a keypad. Instead of using the scroll function, you tap on a small icon below the scroll field -> a number keypad opens, enter the number (and pray that it works the first time and you don’t have to tap several times), confirm the number with “ok” and do that individually for hours, minutes, seconds. Takes even longer. Completely stupid. I will never understand why you don’t simply get a display “00:00:00” when you select timer and fill it from the back via a keypad (for example, I enter 230 if I need 2:30 min, then finish with “ok”).
I can forget that if, for example, I throw a steak in the pan and want to sear it EXACTLY 1:30 min on each side - the time is almost up before I have it set.

But my biggest annoyance is the DGC, the combi-steamer. We have it with a direct water connection and therefore also a drain. Because we didn’t want to clean the reservoirs afterwards. At Gaggenau, the cooking chamber was enlarged for this because you no longer have reservoirs (for descaling it has a reservoir at the bottom, but that is really only used for descaling).
At Miele, the device is identical to the one with reservoirs for fresh and used water, so no enlarged cooking chamber. Fine, I could live with that. But instead of taking fresh water directly from the line, Miele pumps the fresh water into the reservoir and then from there into the cooking chamber. In plain language: they simply took the model without water connection and drain, threw out the pump for the used water and the reservoir for used water (cost saving!), the drain for the used water works, but for the supply they only added an inlet device, pump the fresh water into the fresh water reservoir, so the function is exactly the same as the model without fresh water supply.
After the cooking process, you always have to clean this fresh water reservoir like on a DGC without water supply. This also makes the advantage of a direct water connection absurd (like the timer). Filling the container is the lesser task; we could have managed that, too.

Unfortunately, we didn’t pay explicit attention to this because it was clear to us: with supply and drain, there are no more reservoirs. Not so with Miele!

Furthermore, we have the model series with black glass front and stainless steel handles - when we chose, the variant with stainless steel front didn’t exist, it does now - with the consequence that you really see EVERY fingerprint on the black glass. And what do you do with menu navigation via touch screen? Yes, exactly, you tap the glass all the time.... I now clean the area with the menu navigation several times a day because it simply looks filthy with the fingerprints on the black glass.

Therefore: in the future only models with knobs as control units and stainless steel fronts. And I will keep a close eye if we ever replace our Miele devices when I buy a new DGC with water supply and drain. A device that doesn’t really deliver the advantage of a direct water connection is already out in the preselection. But as I said, our fault. We didn’t pay attention because it seemed so absurd to us.

Sorry, Rick, for hijacking your thread!
You did everything right after all.

Miele criticism

Please send this directly to Miele customer service. Even if it no longer helps you in this case, such things are really taken seriously there and do not end up in the wastebasket.

Sorry, I haven’t answered this yet: Overall, I am not at all satisfied with the menu navigation via the touch screen. You can tap like crazy, but it just doesn’t work reliably. Especially when you’re cooking and don’t have clean and dry fingers, it often happens to me that I have to tap the desired function four or five times before the device finally deigns to do what I want. This makes many things simply impractical and hardly usable as intended. My worst negative example: setting a short timer. First tap on Short Timer, then the selection "Alarm" or "Short Timer" appears, then tap on Short Timer again, then a screen opens with settings for hours, minutes, and seconds. Each of these fields must be selected individually by scrolling the numbers up or down, waiting until the hour value is accepted, then you can set the minutes, then seconds. Even if you usually don’t need the hours, you’ve wasted a good 30-60 seconds by then. If, as often happens, the touch doesn’t work the first time, you fiddle around even longer. Finally confirm with "ok," then the timer starts. That makes a SHORT timer absurd. There is also the option to enter the required number of hours, minutes, and seconds via a keypad. Then instead of scrolling, tap a small icon below the scroll field -> a number pad opens, enter the number (and pray it works the first time and you don’t have to tap countless times), confirm the number with "ok," and that individually for hours, minutes, and seconds. Takes almost even longer. Completely ridiculous. Why you don’t just get a display "00.00.00" when you select Short Timer and fill it from behind via a keypad (for example, I enter 230 via the keypad if I need 2:30 minutes, then finish with "ok") I will never understand. I can forget that if, for example, I throw a steak in the pan and want to sear it EXACTLY 1:30 min on each side - the time is almost up by the time I’ve set it. But my biggest annoyance is the DGC, the combi-steamer. We have it with direct water connection and thus also a drain. Because we didn’t want to always have to clean the reservoirs afterwards. Gaggenau increased the cooking chamber for that because you no longer have reservoirs (for descaling it has a reservoir in the bottom area, but that is really only used for descaling). At Miele, the device is identical to the one with reservoirs for fresh water and wastewater, so no enlarged cooking chamber. Well, I could live with that. But instead of taking fresh water directly from the line, Miele simply pumps the fresh water into the reservoir and from there into the cooking chamber. In other words: they simply took the model without water connection and drain, threw out the pump for the wastewater and the wastewater reservoir (cost saving!), the used water drain works, but for the supply they just added an inlet device, pump the fresh water into the fresh water reservoir, then the function is exactly like the model without fresh water supply. After cooking, you always have to clean this fresh water reservoir like with a DGC without water supply. That also negates the advantage you have from a direct water connection (like the short timer). Because filling the container is the less work, we could have managed that too. Unfortunately we did not pay explicit attention to this because for us it was clear: with supply and drain you no longer have reservoirs. Not so with Miele! In addition, we have the model line with black glass front and stainless steel handles - when we chose it, the version with stainless steel front did not exist, now it does - with the result that you can REALLY see EVERY fingerprint on the black glass. And what do you do with menu navigation via touch screen? Yes, exactly, you keep tapping on the glass... I now clean the area with the menu navigation several times a day because it just looks grimy with the fingerprints on the black glass. Therefore: in the future, only models with knobs as control units and stainless steel fronts. And I will watch like a hawk should we ever replace our Miele devices and buy a new DGC with water supply and drain. A device that does not really deliver the advantage of a direct water connection is already out in the preselection. But, as I said, our fault. We didn’t pay attention to it because it seemed so absurd to us. Sorry, Rick, for hijacking your thread! You did everything right

Great, thanks for your efforts. And now no longer off-topic... Sorry Rick