KfW BEG funding stopped 261, 262, 263, 264, 461, 463, 464

I share the assessment that renovation in existing buildings should be subsidized - but only for direct own use. Otherwise, there is the redistribution you mentioned ... but this has nothing to do with being just and socially fair!

I do not share this opinion. I myself rented an apartment from a housing cooperative for several years. The building was built in 1948 and was renovated to KfW 55 standard with KfW funding, and additional living space was created in the attic. Without this funding, these properties would continue to stagnate. They were and still are not expensive to rent today.

In the normal middle class, most building families are usually equipped with small aids, but I do not know anyone in my middle class environment (family gross income between 100 and 140 thousand euros) who was dependent on family help.

A somewhat idiosyncratic definition of middle class, in my opinion:

A household belongs to the middle class if it has between 70 and 150 percent of the median income. In Germany, this is between 1,150 and 2,400 euros net per month for a single-person household. For a family of four with two small children, the range is between 2,400 and 5,100 euros. Almost 60 percent of Germans thus belong to the middle class.

Families with a net income up to 61,000 or about 100,000 gross still belong to the middle class. From 100 thousand euros, you are above the middle class. Your 150 thousand family gross income is probably more like Düsseldorf or Munich? But definitely not the vast majority, i.e. areas like Dortmund, Goslar, Hof, Kaiserslautern, Paderborn or Bamberg...

I do not share this opinion. I myself rented an apartment for several years from a housing cooperative. The building was built in 1948 and was renovated to KfW 55 standard with KfW funding, and additional living space was created in the attic. Without this funding, these properties would continue to languish. They were and still are not expensive to rent.

Keyword: cooperative. That's what makes the difference. There are certainly many levers with which one can provide better support than the current variant, which passes a lot of money with little effect mainly on the construction industry.

A somewhat idiosyncratic definition of middle class, in my opinion:

A household belongs to the middle class if it has between 70 and 150 percent of the median income. In Germany, this means for a single-person household between 1,150 and 2,400 euros net per month. For a family of four with two small children, the range is between 2,400 and 5,100 euros. Almost 60 percent of Germans are therefore part of the middle class.

Families with a net income of up to 61,000 or about 100,000 gross still belong to the middle class. Above 100k you are above the middle class. Your 150k family gross income is probably more like Düsseldorf or Munich? But definitely not the large majority, so not places like Dortmund, Goslar, Hof, Kaiserslautern, Paderborn or Bamberg...

Mittelstand is something different from the middle class.
The support for Mittelstand builders often consists of indirect preliminary services on other levels. Be it capital or good connections.
Apart from the young start-up geniuses. But they are rather unicorns among the builders.

You have to be able to afford to vote Green, it was once said... Many young families have felt the smallest part of what is coming to us in the next few years since yesterday...

What always annoys me about the discussion are such arguments. If we don't finally wake up now and start saving CO2, young families will have to pay much more in the coming years due to the damage caused by climate change. Or who do you think will have to finance Ahrweiler and co again? Green is not something you have to be able to afford; you have to be able to afford climate change, and that is much more expensive than any measures taken now. Climate protection will never be cheaper than it is now.

Isn't there a moderator here?

What is being discussed here, that everything is becoming more expensive because of the Greens, that some people can only afford a house because of the current subsidy, who belongs to which class with how much money ...

Does something like this really belong in such a current topic?
Anyone looking for real information here is lost ...