Floor plan planning shortly before submitting the building application

What is the small box that is drawn to the left of the wall groove? According to the legend, the spot is declared as a wall groove even though it is drawn to the left of the wall, while other wall grooves are drawn on the respective walls.



I am curious whether this will be corrected.

It still puzzles me that the architect draws the table directly against the wall. He must be aware that the furnishing is the basis for the lighting planning, electrical planning, etc.; you can’t just move things around like that without consideration.

When I look at the fact that I hardly know any newer houses where you even see all these boxed-in sections, I do wonder if the whole thing couldn’t have been planned differently overall.

The whole procedure was not well discussed with me. For example, the bathroom. At the beginning it was said: "We have drawn a sample bathroom for you. You can still change it later and submit your detailed bathroom planning. We don’t need that now."

Later it was: "No, that won’t work, now these and those pipes are planned here, the toilet/shower/bathtub can no longer be moved arbitrarily."

I can only advise anyone who is building not to agree to moving anything. As quickly as possible, you must have bathroom planning, kitchen planning, and furnishing drawn in. Especially with the furnishing, it was repeatedly difficult to adjust it the way I wanted. I also didn’t always push hard enough. The problem then is that the lighting planning doesn’t fit later. Now, for example, a pendant lamp for the coffee table is centered for a small square coffee table that doesn’t exist – it’s rectangular. All in all, they shouldn’t have presented these detailed things to me so casually with "we’ll do it all later." No other trade can work with that.

That is what I think about the "walls groove":

Wall groove
Recesses and wall grooves serve to accommodate building service installations in new and old masonry buildings.

The required lines are mainly laid in subsequently made grooves and recesses.

Source ctb.de

According to legend, this is a ceiling breakthrough 35 x 15 and a wall breakthrough 20 x wall, but one might ask why a ceiling breakthrough 35 x 15 is needed if you then want to go into the wall breakthrough 20 x wall.....you can report whether you still had to saw your glass desk

Many of your problems would not exist if the utilities were built on top of each other, i.e. bathroom above utility room or at least an intersection with the utility room. In every house, the supply lines go down somewhere, which is usually in a corner of the utility room possibly concealed, then one might think there are only Siemens air hooks.

But one may ask why a ceiling breakthrough of 35 x 15 is needed when subsequently one wants a wall breakthrough of 20 x wall.....

I am not an architect and do not know whether I legally have to ask myself this question. If 11ant writes that a downpipe as executed is not recognizable, then as a customer I do not have to piece together something from other factors about what might or might not be.....

The fact is that the desk was drawn against the wall. This is accordingly part of the work planning. And nowhere in a side agreement is it recorded that I am supposed to cut up the desk etc.

Many of your problems would not exist if the utilities were built on top of each other, i.e. bathroom above laundry room or at least an overlap with the laundry room.

That may be so but nevertheless you have to discuss things with the customer, advise him, show alternatives etc. I cannot just simply draw in furniture, then later see "oh, it doesn’t fit at all," then leave the furniture there and simply plan duct shafts in the middle of a room. That is not okay.

I just looked at the plan and legend again. It is indeed probably not a wall slot but a large ceiling breakthrough, where only this blue spot is confusing because the cross is not continuously visible.


Or do you still see a wall slot somewhere? I only noticed it after the third look and suspect that the user Egon12 is right.

There is no wall slot because there isn't one. That is supposed to be a wall breakthrough. The difference between the two things is that a slot is not executed as deep as the wall thickness. So some of the wall remains. But for you, a wall breakthrough WD was specified. (Marked in red) The WD states that it is 20cm wide, 24cm deep (the specification is nonsense, it results anyway from the wall thickness) and goes from the top edge of the raw floor (OK RFB) to the ceiling (room height). Marked in green is the ceiling breakthrough DD. Does this wall breakthrough exist? If yes, the conduit definitely belongs in there. Correctly specified, your wall breakthrough would be designated WD 20/280 (or however high the wall is, so that the breakthrough goes from RFB to the ceiling). I really feel sorry for you, sometimes you really think only amateurs are at work... Have the conduit dismantled and laid inside the wall as it should be. P.S.: In your legend there is also highly confusing nonsense: A WD is a wall breakthrough and a WS is a wall slot. Not the other way around. I also find the chosen symbolism confusing. For the floor, the filled symbol is for the breakthrough, the unfilled for the slot. For the wall it is the other way around. Same for the ceiling.

The cladded downpipe on the wall also threatens on the plan left on the other side at the exterior wall, under the cabinet ...
(DD 20 / 20)