2 full floors, passage to garage, utility room under stairs

  • Erstellt am 2015-08-19 21:39:23

Grym

2015-08-22 13:44:07
  • #1
Once again, details about the utility room. I changed the door hinge, so there are definitely no problems with the stairs. Where 280 is marked is the last step. 297.5 would then be the upper floor level. The heater is currently beneath the step, which would be 210 cm high at the top. A few centimeters to the right and the heater would be under the step, which would be 227.5 cm high on top. Of course, it depends on which heater or which hot water storage tank. For example, a ground source heat pump with a combined storage tank is available in a height of 180-185 cm and 60x60 as the base unit including storage. A gas condensing boiler might even fit in the connection niche; a separate storage tank is then needed.

If necessary, additional cabinet space must be sacrificed. There is still plenty of storage space in the garage. The wardrobe is now completely in the hallway. The office will also still serve as storage space. Otherwise, items like groceries will go in the kitchen (pantry cabinet, etc.).

The dryer and washing machine should definitely have space under a platform that is 175 cm high at the top.



Edit: By the way, there is also an attic.
 

kbt09

2015-08-23 20:42:05
  • #2
You cannot calculate the top edge of the stair step, but must calculate the bottom edge of the presumably concrete slope. You can subtract at least 30 cm from the top edge of the step.

Better storage space in kitchens is provided by 40 to 60 cm wide cabinets with internal drawers .. instead of 30 cm wide apothecary cabinets.
 

ypg

2015-08-23 23:41:04
  • #3


Yep, you have so many anyway. (<- that was meant ironically)



Strange, nowadays washing machines and dryers are placed on a pedestal because it’s better for the back. For you, it’s not just your back but also your head that bumps into the stairs



Yes, you can then use that for the washed laundry – there’s no more space for that in the utility room, which serves as the "dirty sluice hallway."

Sorry, but I really don’t think much of the idea of a "small utility room as a passage hallway" and a stair niche as a laundry spot. The stair space is valuable, no question, but not for appliances that you have to operate and above which valuable shelf space is needed because there is none elsewhere.

And I also have to honestly say: I have the feeling that you don’t do any household management at all. I already doubted it with the kitchen (Grym and his wife only go from front door to kitchen twice a week, then the topic "the living room is the center of life" (ok, not every couple or family is actively engaged with hobbies and gardening but just plops down on the couch, probably somewhat subjectively judged by me), but now the laundry ceremony... So I (and I don’t wash often) have two laundry baskets constantly filled and standing around in the utility room in a two-person household, then sometimes two piles of sorted laundry on the floor (e.g. whites and colors), then washed laundry that can’t go into the dryer... and then my husband comes through the utility room right in front of these machines with muddy shoes...

For me, household was and is certainly not the most important topic, but – or precisely because of that – it has to work. I don’t see that here.
 

Grym

2015-08-24 00:06:12
  • #4

Just over 2m are still there. Heating and controlled residential ventilation already marked. The utility room/HAR is at least 8.5 sqm, even if a small part of it is under the stairs.


At 1.75m above, it’s maybe 1.55m at the bottom edge. You can still put those machines on a pedestal there. Of course, we will make sure they are flush with the wall above or possibly set forward by 5cm, so you don’t hit your head.


Maybe the laundry could also dry in the study. Or in the dressing room. Or outside, or in the dryer, or...


The passage from the utility room to the garage is downright brilliant. Not to forget that a lot can then also be stored in the garage, at least that’s how we have seen it.


We don’t have a garden yet, but it should be low-maintenance in the future. So first a large terrace area, lots of lawn, and then maybe some plants that cope with the natural climate of our climate zone, i.e. don’t need artificial watering and grow on their own. I don’t know if such things exist.
Our hobby at the moment is our little daughter, no time and desire for extensive household chores and I just went shopping again on Friday for almost 200 EUR... yes, I really hope that doesn’t happen more than twice a week, rather less often. Shopping is a huge waste of time. And if I do go, everything possible has to go in.

The laundry basket is supposed to go into the bathroom, after all that’s where you take off your clothes. I could well imagine having two laundry baskets there; there is space after all.

All in all, you have to draw the line somewhere. If for this 157 sqm living area layout the biggest problems are the utility room/HAR with 8.5 sqm (not completely usable, but partially with “sloping roof”) and maybe the issue that possibly people coming from the guest WC and people newly entering the house at the front door could run into each other, then I find that acceptable.
Or are there concrete suggestions for improvement without questioning the complete structure of living/dining/kitchen at an angle, study on the ground floor, WC with shower on the ground floor, utility room as passage to garage, placement of the garage and orientation of all rooms, etc.?
 

ypg

2015-08-24 00:22:45
  • #5
Tell me, do you actually process what people say/write to you? I mean: does it get through? Do you process the hints? Probably not *shakes head*
 

Grym

2015-08-24 19:46:14
  • #6
I am trying my best.

However, I haven't read any concrete suggestions or anything like that.

We currently have no utility room in the apartment, not even a storage space. Items that, for example, are in the hallway and I would like to store in a utility room take up maybe 1 sqm of space. Storage space for garden tools/bicycles/outdoor children's toys is separate. Other storage options are the study, kitchen for supplies, etc. (7 meters of cabinet space including the refrigerator), dressing room (about 7 meters of cabinet space, we currently have about 3), and so on.

The question is, what MUST go into the utility room/HAR? What space am I not missing now in the apartment that I will miss in the future?

In the end, it might just be a purely technical/laundry room with hardly any storage options. But in my opinion, we don’t need that many anyway. Even the garage can still fit a shelf.

We also received from a prefabricated house provider the statement that the HAR/utility room must be about 8 sqm in size, but they had counted in, besides our appliances and washer/dryer, photovoltaic equipment such as inverters and a large lead battery. For us, it’s 8.5 sqm without lead battery, inverter, and co.
 

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