Floor plan optimization city villa + fill consideration

Our electrician (hopefully) inputs the architects' plans into his CAD program. Based on that, the planning of the individual areas is then created collaboratively for each room... Fine-tuning then takes place during the shell construction.

Going through the shell construction with the electrician is too late because the shell construction of the upper floor builds upon the ceiling of the ground floor. Without [Kontrollierte-Wohnraumlüftung] and if one understands standard electricity as having an outlet for a ceiling lamp in the middle of the room, then that works - otherwise not really seriously nowadays.

Going through the shell construction with the electrician is too late because the upper floor shell builds on the ceiling of the ground floor. Without controlled residential ventilation and if standard electrics mean having an outlet for a ceiling lamp in the middle of the room, then that's possible – otherwise, not really seriously nowadays.

Well, we did it the same way. However, it was discussed in advance with the electrician where which ceiling openings are. You're probably getting at that?

I would have thought that based on the floor plan, a design is presented and you just add special requests. That's why I asked if the furnishing in the floor plan is important.

Why can't you plan much anymore because of the ceiling openings? can you elaborate? So nowadays you don't do it anymore because then you are not as flexible with the lamp outlets?

I'm always afraid of missing some important decision somewhere.

For example, if I want lighting in the garden house later, do I say that before the groundwork because of empty conduits or only during the electrical planning with the electrician?

Or if I plan an awning... do I take care of that only during the electrical planning or already before the shell construction so that it can somehow be taken into account?

However, it was discussed with the electrician beforehand where which ceiling penetrations are. You probably want to get at that?

Essentially yes. Once the recesses for ceiling spots, etc. are clarified and the cables are laid into all rooms, details like exact switch and socket positions can of course be clarified without any problems on the shell construction site. At this planning level, it is okay to "wait" (and understandably also preferred from the craftsman’s point of view, because the - especially first-time - common field, forest, and meadow builder unfortunately only has a realistic vision of the spatial conditions in "3D 1:1" aka on-site appointment and with other discussion methods everything would just be changed three times).

I actually thought that based on the floor plan a plan would be presented to you and you would just add special requests. That’s why the question whether the furnishing in the floor plan is important. Why can’t you plan much more because of the ceiling penetrations? @11ant can you explain it in more detail? So nowadays you don’t do it anymore because you are no longer that flexible with the lamp outlets?

A lamp shopping list drawn into the floor plan is an IGeL service and this is done for you by a so-called "lighting planner." As a patient with statutory health insurance, you don’t get anything visualized that detailed, but simply X pieces placed somewhere according to the construction service description by the method "Has always been like this" based on the craftsmen’s mood that day. A ceiling lamp has a ceiling outlet, and if you want to place it somewhere else, it is relocated using a rope bridge - ceiling spots, however, want to be planned before the ceiling is poured. I do not mean your ceiling penetrations (CP) in the design drawings - but the mixed salad of ventilation pipes, heating pipes, and cables routed through them today, which should be coordinated with a more complex grip use than in the low-tech house from 1970.

If I want to have light in the garden house later, do I say that before the earthworks for empty conduits or only during electrical planning with the electrician? Or if I plan an awning... do I take care of that only during electrical planning or already before the shell construction so that it can be taken into account somehow?

You better discuss civil engineering empty conduits long before the electrician enters the scene. An awning in an energy-saving ordinance house with ETICS and a cable feed-through that should not spoil the blower door test is no easy task anymore, which Uncle Horst can just fix while Bernd sets up the grill. You really can ask heartwarming questions.

For the electrician, the kitchen planning is actually only important in advance if you want a cooking island.
For the ceiling outlet, he drills the hole where you want it.
However, if you are planning with integrated "spots" (Halox boxes), he AND your builder need the exact positions in advance.

Everything else is usually scribbled on the walls during the measurement.
Of course, you need to be clear about from which positions you want to switch which consumers. If you want to switch the light from the bed, you need the dimensions of the bed and the exact position.

Better plan one socket too many than too few.
Think, for example, about vacuuming. If you have a cordless vacuum cleaner, then think about a socket for the charging station, which is usually mounted at 1.5m (the thing where you clip in the vacuum cleaner).

Think about Christmas lights/decorations on the windowsill (socket in the reveal).

You should also consider an e-charging station for electric cars or at least have one prepared for you. The same applies to a later photovoltaic system or satellite dish. The cables cost almost nothing, but should still be pulled up to the attic.

Think about underground cables for outdoors (I have one on every side of the house).

A high-voltage connection is also recommended. You will need it at the latest when the plasterers arrive.

It’s best to mentally go through the floor plan and ask yourself from where you want to switch which light.
If you go upstairs before going to bed, you don’t want to run back to the living room or dining room just to switch off the light there, etc.