Why don't construction prices go down?

  • Erstellt am 2023-05-15 08:17:32

nordanney

2024-11-15 19:59:39
  • #1
You can tell that you understood nothing, absolutely nothing.
 

hanghaus2023

2024-11-15 20:57:05
  • #2
How long has the Soviet Union not existed anymore? I can't believe it.
 

Neuer von Da

2024-11-15 22:39:44
  • #3
So I live in the East and was a GDR citizen for almost 4 years, my wife was born in 1991.

For us, the GDR is just history.

What counts is the here and now.
For many, it has become more complicated in the East and there is more frustration in society.

I hope everything somehow continues well, I do not want an "Alternative" in the government.

And regarding construction prices here (Saxony)
The land may cost less, but the prices are similarly high.

400-500k + a new house with land also costs that much here.

For many, in East and West, the train has left the station = a house usually remains a dream in the current situation.

Here, people are already glad if a normal worker earns 3k + gross.

A tragedy
(I am / was also looking for work)
But who, please, works shifts for 15€-17€?
Collective bargaining agreements are rare.

Life has also become expensive in the East and rents are rising.

(Financially my family is doing well for now and our house is stable, but it would not have been possible on two workers' wages.)
 

Buchsbaum066

2024-11-15 23:30:14
  • #4
I once had a very lazy apprentice. When he finished his training with me, I made him an offer and a life plan to go with it.

He was single, young, and unattached. I was already too old for that. Never mind.

So I had an acquaintance who came from Thuringia and went to Switzerland where he founded a small company. The company grew and is active in the aircraft industry. He was urgently looking for good people. My apprentice was not bad, so I offered him this position.
He would have gotten a small apartment in Switzerland and earned very well.

In addition, I arranged contacts for him with brokers who sold multi-family houses in need of renovation in Saxony very cheaply.
Back then, more than 10 years ago, these houses in the city center of Leipzig usually cost only between 15,000 - 20,000 euros. Nobody wanted them.

For my apprentice, it would have been a goldmine. Renovating and renting apartment by apartment, moving there after a few years, and he would never have had to work again in his life.

He wouldn’t even have been 30 yet. Unfortunately, he missed that chance. And it doesn’t matter if you are from East or West.
If I want a house, then I get one. It’s that simple.

You just have to be willing to push yourself beyond your limits at a young age. You also have to break through the wall between high rent burdens, high property prices, and little equity.

Just be brave. Building can still be very affordable today. Of course, not with the general contractor. But basically, yes.
 

MachsSelbst

2024-11-17 23:58:57
  • #5


What exactly is a "normal worker"? Craftsman? Skilled worker? Unskilled worker on the line? That's the joke. The IG Metall employee is simply not the "normal worker."

Yes, rents are high. But in the East people like to complain because they close their eyes and don’t look to the West. In Saxony-Anhalt, we paid 7 EUR/sqm cold for our temporary apartment and the apartment was of higher quality than our apartment in Hanover, which cost 9.50 EUR/sqm. By the way, when we moved out, about 4.5 years ago, it was raised to 11 EUR/sqm without doing anything to the place. I estimate by now you pay 12-13 EUR/sqm for comparable living space.
You earn better in Hanover than in Saxony-Anhalt but not by 35%.

And this applies consistently if you compare correctly. For your 400,000 EUR, you get just the 600 sqm plot in the outskirts of Hanover. In the Stuttgart or Erlangen area, this is just enough for a 300 sqm plot for a semi-detached house.

Many West Germans would kill for the offer to get a new build including plot for 500,000 EUR.
 

Neuer von Da

2024-11-18 02:31:37
  • #6
I have 2 apprenticeships. And I am a trained chemical technician and CTA.

But without collective agreement: the mentioned 15-17€/h applies.... Mostly only personnel agencies are looking.

I have now found something new around 4k gross/month But even there, since 2012 they are out of the collective agreement.

"That is an offer that I declined," (Cleanroom conditions / you work 8h under a mask and complete suit) Shift schedule was really bad too, etc.

The net salary is possibly still "OK" but not under the condition of full protection for 8h.

30 days vacation - permanent employment - 3 shifts (night, early, late) rotating, 7 days in a row

- hourly wage 16.30 € (= 2,656.90 € as regular monthly salary) - 0.80€ per hour performance bonus - 15 € per day expense allowance - night & Sunday bonuses --> this results in a monthly gross salary of around 3,550€ (due to the tax exemption of the bonuses, this is a little over 2,500 € net)

- 13th salary amounting to 50% of the gross monthly salary - 400 € per year, with no self-inflicted workplace accidents - 400 € per year, with less than 7 sick days in the previous year - 1 loyalty bonus per year (100 € per year of company affiliation)
 

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