Why don't construction prices go down?

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Teimo1988

2024-11-28 13:44:38
  • #1

These are the kinds of arguments I can’t understand. It’s the same as saying pushbacks at the border violate EU law. Of course, you can do that, just as you can reduce Bürgergeld to food vouchers and bunk beds in shared accommodation (I’m not saying that I want that).
These are values that a society has to negotiate, and you cannot just refer to some bureaucratic procedures. Exactly this kind of referral creates extreme political disenchantment, at least for me.
You can certainly tax the rich more. As a society, you can do all kinds of things. Only with us, for everything it’s always said it’s not possible because of God knows what.
In my opinion, direct democracy/referendum would help a lot here.
 

Tolentino

2024-11-28 13:44:49
  • #2
I even agree with you, but firstly not across the board and secondly I think you overestimate firstly the circle of people to whom this applies without restriction. Thirdly, you underestimate the effort of distinguishing these people from the truly needy and fourthly the effect it would have to get them to take up a job through tougher sanctions. Ok, you may not be an antisocial turbo capitalist. But you let yourself be used by them if you simply adopt their narratives.
 

Aloha_Lars

2024-11-28 13:46:42
  • #3


Not at all, sorry, that's nonsense. That's exactly how the discussion always gets shut down. The discussion is about billion-fold tax fraud by millionaires and billionaires. It's nice that you apparently don't care at all, while the citizens' allowance fraudsters are the most criminal people to you.

PS: In my new construction, there was 0.0 undeclared work. Everything is verifiable through invoices. So please don't judge "everyone."
 

Tolentino

2024-11-28 13:55:08
  • #4
Many things simply do not work on the basis of the Basic Law and international law. Yes, if you get a two-thirds majority, you can change the constitution, although Articles 1-20 are not so easily amended either (as far as I know). The vision/wish for direct democracy to enforce laws that violate human rights is actually a nightmare for me. People who demand such things only think as far as the end of their nose. Are you aware that in a constitution that disregards human rights, your rights can also be disregarded? A state that denies people the minimum means of existence, for whatever reasons, will also affect property rights, general freedom of movement, free choice of profession, and much more. How far do you think that step still is? I can only be amazed at such short-sightedness.
 

Tolentino

2024-11-28 14:05:41
  • #5
It is not about income, although I doubt that many here pay the 45%+solidarity surcharge (from 250,731 taxable income as a single person). It is about the richest 1% by wealth, who, by the way, on average pay only 21% on their returns. So half of what dependent employees between ~67,000 EUR and ~251,000 EUR taxable income, which you actually meant, pay. By the way, if I had >100 million wealth, I would pay wealth tax.

You surely don't believe that you would pay even a cent less in taxes if 15k (which wouldn't even affect all of them) fewer citizens receiving Bürgergeld got money. The number of unemployed fluctuates monthly by a larger amount.
 

chand1986

2024-11-28 14:30:03
  • #6

As with your idea of cutting benefits, I ask again about the practical implementation:

- With the elimination of all benefits, conflict with the Basic Law. How to deal with that? What happens with children in families of unwilling-to-work parents (just one example of a "complication")

- When checking the standards of ability to work: How to prevent the control industry from becoming more expensive than the money saved through unnecessary social benefits?

I do not expect much. But whoever demands something must at least bring an idea of practical implementation. If someone is so clear and says, there are things more important than the Basic Law in some places, I at least understand the logic. If someone has a good idea to quickly and cheaply identify the capable among the benefit recipients, bring it on.

But simply putting one's feelings on the table because it feels unfair (for me, by the way, too) is too much gut and too little head for me. There is a simple solution for every difficult problem – usually it is wrong.

So: HOW is it supposed to work? WHAT should be done, in your opinion, I have long understood.
 
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