Why don't construction prices go down?

  • Erstellt am 2023-05-15 08:17:32

xMisterDx

2023-11-16 08:48:30
  • #1
Hmm hmm. So that’s why until 2021 we sourced over 50% of our fossil energy from Russia, because we all already suspected that it would escalate.
And our dependence on Taiwan for chips, they are now trying to break it with double-digit (in the USA even triple-digit) billion subsidies, because for a long time they suspected it could escalate there. Aha...
And in Israel... well, let’s leave that. As long as there is no two-state solution there, there will be no peace. Who has prevented this solution more, that can be debated for months.

I think it’s good that you have all known this for a long time. But "Germany," meaning the German state, the government, the decision-makers in the economy, acted until 24.2.2022 as if they didn’t know.

I am also very curious how they want to solve the conflict in Ukraine diplomatically. If no weapons had been delivered, Ukraine would no longer exist.
Russia does not want to negotiate, Russia wants, at least, to conquer and occupy its 4 "people's republics." As soon as Ukraine runs out of weapons, Kyiv will again be the target. And Lviv.
Is that your goal, dear till?

And we are not even talking yet about dependence on medication, rare earths, etc.
This winter one should better not get seriously ill... Shortages are already in sight again, in almost everything.
 

dertill

2023-11-16 09:13:36
  • #2

The escalation of the conflict did not directly lead to the cessation of energy deliveries. That only happened after they wanted to "ruin Russia." That 1. did not succeed, was 2. stupid because undiplomatic and fueling the conflict, and 3. harmed the own population more.


I think you misunderstood me there. I only made suggestions about what might motivate people in your environment to say that Germany has finally woken up now. I do not believe that the political leadership acted in the dark for 20 years. I also did not know or suspect this for a long time. But one could follow the NATO's actions in the East and Russia's rejection of these actions long before. Until 2021, there were also partly critical discussions about this.


There were already very advanced negotiations in Istanbul in March 2022. Then a Mr. Boris Johnsen first traveled to Washington and afterward to Kyiv, and one day later the negotiations were broken off by Ukraine without explanation and without result, and deliveries of weapons were decided.
Since the beginning of the war, our top diplomat has been wandering around like an elephant, waving the moral finger and destroying or worsening any relationship with non-NATO countries. I have not said that the weapons deliveries were good or bad or wrong or right at the beginning. I refrain from giving my opinion because both are difficult.


See above: Russia negotiated, Russia always emphasizes that it wants to negotiate. Ukraine/Selenskyi broke off the negotiations and has legally banned negotiations.

I have no goal in this conflict. If you want to imply that I support the Russian invasion, you are wrong. I abhor violence on every level.
 

WilderSueden

2023-11-16 09:28:22
  • #3
A dependency of 50% makes one very fragile. No matter who you depend on and for what. For something as important as gas, that is anything but farsighted.

As far as negotiations are concerned... it is not enough to signal willingness to negotiate, you also have to clarify what you are negotiating about and that has to be acceptable to the other side. Legalizing the status quo is not that. It is like if I steal your car and then want to negotiate that you also hand over the papers to me.
 

bastel2109

2023-11-16 09:58:55
  • #4


"In 2021, the federal government provided around 21.6 billion euros in refugee-related expenditures (as of May 2023)."

"Costs and expenses borne solely by the federal states, which are responsible for the accommodation, care, and integration of asylum seekers, are not taken into account here."

"Accordingly, the federal level spent a total of 29.84 billion euros on this in 2022."

+ Crimes etc.

Hahaha. You just live in your bubble. The services provided by the municipalities are probably also missing from the list.
 

dertill

2023-11-16 13:01:44
  • #5

I also used the source. However, I misinterpreted the item "Refugee-related relief for the states" in the federal budget and assumed that the above-mentioned costs were included.
If you look at it closely, you will notice that the costs have generally been declining since the peak in 2016. So much for the topic of who is supposed to pay for all this anymore.

I assume your post will be deleted anyway (because of the links) and that the discussion here will be cleaned up again.
It is also pointless to discuss such topics in a forum. I only recommend looking beyond one’s own bubble; at least I try to do so.
 

hanghaus2023

2023-11-16 13:18:48
  • #6
I would like to get back to the topic again.

Why don't construction prices go down?

Because there are still too many people willing to pay the prices.
 

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