House and property €284,000 financeable?

  • Erstellt am 2017-07-31 23:45:21

ypg

2017-08-01 11:36:56
  • #1


I never said you should sell it either.

But if income is limited, you have to weigh what you want. As it looks, you can't afford both together.
That's okay too. You first have to come to this realization

P.S. By the way, it’s just as not bad to come to this realization here in the forum or elsewhere as I have no idea about classic car restoration
 

bau.herr

2017-08-01 11:38:54
  • #2
That will not help him at all. If he uses realistic numbers, he has to reckon with about €430,000.

House & land according to advertisement €285,000
Garage approx. €15,000
Additional purchase costs approx. €18,000
Additional construction costs €15,000
Additional costs for turnkey finish approx. €50,000
Selection of materials approx. €10,000
Kitchen approx. €10,000
Outdoor facilities approx. €15,000
Miscellaneous/reserve €10,000

He would be at a minimum of €1,750 per month for 30 years at 3% (realistic? / over 100% financing). Plus additional costs, he would be paying over €2,000 per month for the house.
 

HilfeHilfe

2017-08-01 13:07:16
  • #3
Basically, it is perfectly legitimate to inquire about the cost of building a house and whether financing is feasible,

but you also have to be honest with yourselves and question whether we can manage this or if the relationship will break down when everything revolves only around the house and finances.

I understand nothing about cars, let alone about vintage cars and their restoration. Yes, the car is certainly valuable, but you have to question where the equity has gone. Are you even saving, or is the money being consumed and invested in the car? Do the spare parts really cost that much??

As an owner, you also have to practice restraint. Especially when, like you, you earn €4,000 net and have nothing in savings.

Yes, you can consult a financial broker, who will certainly make many things possible for you. But you have to be aware that he will not warn you of risks or guide you by the hand.
 

Lanini

2017-08-01 14:09:10
  • #4
I see it similarly to some previous posters. I also think this will be a tight squeeze for you. Mainly because I have the feeling that you’re not fully behind it. You want to own a home but aren’t willing to bear all the consequences. The consequences with your income would be that you have to cut back elsewhere. Permanently. For several decades. You have to be willing to do that. And really willing! Someone wrote that owning a home has to be seen as a hobby or something like that. And that’s how I see it too. At least in this income range, where, unfortunately, you don’t belong to the high earners. And I don’t see that in you. Meaning that you are fully behind it and willing to cut back elsewhere to achieve it. Think carefully about whether you really want to build a house now with all the “consequences” or whether it wouldn’t be better for you to put the matter on ice and think about it again in a few years (in the meantime, you can also save something, because equity is really important when building a house!).


Just for comparison: I am 27 years old, my husband just turned 30. We are currently building. We earn about the same as you. We started saving for the house a few years before construction began. We currently live “rent-free” or rather pay a reduced rent (300 € per month including utilities!) because the apartment belongs to my parents. We saved about 1,400 - 1,500 € per month over a few years and also put aside some Christmas or vacation bonus (my husband’s, I don’t get either), so we ended up around +/- 18,000/19,000 € per year. That’s not the 20,000 € cited above, but close. But it was only possible because we pay so little “rent.” Depending on how much rent you pay, you can compare. However, we also lived quite well alongside and didn’t turn every cent twice but also didn’t splash out because we always had our goal “house construction” in mind. We ate out often, treated ourselves to the occasional unnecessary gadget, etc... so it’s not as if we had to massively restrict ourselves for this saving performance. But still: After a few years of saving, a not insignificant amount had accumulated. Although alongside that some bigger expenses took from the savings (new car, wedding). We now finance 240,000 €. We pay the rest with equity. Our annuity is now about 4.5 % p.a.. Plus additional costs (maintenance) for the house, we are overall lower than before during the saving phase + “rent.” So we are on the safe side, even if children come (I know that’s not a topic for you) and one income temporarily fails. This way we can still save a bit alongside credit + additional costs, for repairs, new purchases, etc., and if there is anything left over, it goes into special repayments. In addition, we don’t have to restrict ourselves much in everyday life. Our (calculated term) loan will be finished after 30 years. Then we will be just under 60 years old. But since our salaries will rise (contractually guaranteed), realistically we will probably be done even earlier. But that is only possible because we got a good interest rate. We are below 2 % for 20 years. That was only possible because we had enough equity (over 20 %). Also, we are building in a rather inexpensive region (rural), which lowers the house price somewhat. Otherwise, the whole construct, as it is now, would not have worked. The missing equity would have had to be bought dearly through a higher interest rate over the years or would have forced massive compromises on size and equipment of the house. Therefore, I think equity is almost essential when building a house – in your (and our) income regions.
 

Limofant

2017-08-01 14:56:46
  • #5
Many thanks Lnini, those are statements you can really work with!!

Thank you for the honest words!

Unfortunately, we are not in the great position to pay such low rent!

We live in the third most expensive city in Germany, and pay 900€ warm for an average 3-room apartment
 

Zaba12

2017-08-01 15:18:40
  • #6
But this has nothing to do with the amount of rent. The higher the rent, the longer the period to save equity, nothing more, nothing less.

For example, after deducting all ongoing costs, i.e. rent, [Kita], dental insurance, gym, telephone & DSL, installment for the property, I personally have maybe 30-50€ more per month, no more. I do this solely for the sake of the savings rate, to achieve a loan-to-value ratio below 80%. My wife is also cooperating here, so after one year of saving we have reached our goal.
 

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