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2023-03-20 09:32:35

Ah yes, the poor skiers who only want to afford the expensive electricity for the snow cannons, but definitely not for the vehicle.

It's not so much about wanting. In practice, no one will set up charging stations en masse for that, because the fixed costs only pay off with proper utilization. And you skillfully ignore the other cases, because skiing is not only in the ski area. At the tour parking lots, the situation looks even worse.

Do you have any solutions, or is everything going downhill anyway?

We stop pushing solutions in by brute force? For many cases, diesel is simply hard to beat. Of course, these are not the 3 km to the kindergarten, but reasonable traffic concepts should not rely on cars there anyway. Electric is much better suited for bicycles, where the battery only weighs 3 kilos and consumes correspondingly fewer resources. If only half of the electric car subsidies were spent on bike paths, the environment could be helped much more.

2023-03-20 09:32:46

The problem is that it often just doesn’t work. The old building underground garages are absolutely not prepared for this and it’s not simply a matter of writing some rights for tenants into contracts. In a larger underground garage, you quickly end up with a new connection plus load management, which also has to be approved by the homeowners’ association and then easily takes 2-3 years. It’s expensive too. And if you also have a nice double parking system with movable connections, many electricians probably drop out as well. Here we’re only talking about people who actually have their own parking space. In cities, many park at the nearest lamppost. And idle time = charging… just doesn’t work in many cases and won’t work either. Here in the South, many people make day trips to go skiing. That does add up quite a few kilometers and charging in the ski area won’t become common for the masses. It simply isn’t economical to install wall boxes for 1 car per day. Many hiking parking lots are completely without infrastructure, so that doesn’t work either. And so on. Trailer operation is a very special problem and you don’t want to drive into those bays with a trailer either.

Hmm… you mention problems, but not everything you named is actually a problem. First, responsible planning applies: Whoever finds an e-car problematic should simply not buy one. Buying one and then complaining about problems afterwards, well… I admit that the lack of charging options where the car is parked the longest, i.e. at home, is a problem. Second, “charging in ski resorts” is a marginal problem from the perspective of the majority of people. I had written against those who see a general problem. In contrast, day trips to ski resorts are no argument. Also, only a few have to regularly drive with a trailer. (Cann’t those two ski day trips per year actually be done with a rental car?) In the end, e-mobility already works today for those who have certain conditions. Many don’t have them or not yet. But here there is a rather general anti-breeze from certain people, which is unjustified both physically and pragmatically.

2023-03-20 09:37:06

Nobody "lives somewhere else," it’s about maintaining a worldview. Of course, driving over 130 km/h doesn’t drain the battery in minutes. And of course, the batteries are sufficient for most everyday trips to be able to charge at home.

If there is an opportunity – overnight, the power of a normal socket is enough to charge 150 km again.

In my opinion, it is often about not changing old routines. But for sensible e-car use, idle times should be charging times as much as possible, and “refueling” on routes should be as rare as possible. This is diametrically opposed to behavior with a combustion engine.

Well, I can (at least partially) confirm the statement by , because our little electric car shows a range of just under 300 km on a full charge. But that is only enough for a trip to the Ruhr area and back; it is actually 160 km driven + remaining charge for 30 km. At speeds over 100 km/h, you can’t even watch how quickly the range disappears. The highways are relatively flat, so there aren’t any major elevation changes to deal with.

2023-03-20 09:37:11

I wonder why a standardized battery exchange system hasn't long since been established or at least announced. Like e-scooters, but across all (or at least a few) manufacturers. Then gas stations would also still make sense in the long term. So if I were the chairman of the gas station operators association, I would push for it and do good lobbying.

2023-03-20 09:38:06

no, not another marketing victim! I have to bitterly disappoint you here: No matter what your supplier tells you, you always get the current electricity mix from your charging port because of the "stupid" physics. And this was quite coal-heavy in Germany this winter (often the second highest CO2 production in German electricity generation after Poland) and will become even more coal-heavy from mid-April (guess why?). If your provider now tells you something about 100% green electricity, then they have "washed" it green with the help of certificates (= financial products) and you (and unfortunately all of us) pay quite an "extra" for this "extra".

This is unfortunately true and often not understood. In the end, the quotient of total electricity consumption / green electricity generated decides how much CO2 electricity production releases. The climate does not care where in the world something is emitted. From this perspective, we use electricity according to the world’s electricity mix, no matter who our provider is. However, sourcing green electricity sends a market signal to offer more green electricity. That is the benefit. Running around yourself with a “100% green” label: Just forget about it. That is not how it works.

2023-03-20 09:40:52

well, I can (at least partially) confirm the statement from , because our little electric car shows just under 300 km range on a full charge. However, that's only enough for a trip to the Ruhr area and back; it’s actually 160 km driven plus remaining charge for 30 km. At speeds >100 km/h, you can’t even look fast enough how the range disappears. The highways are relatively flat, so there are no major elevation changes to overcome.

Ok. How often do you have to recharge on the way and by how much does it increase your costs? So far I read that you manage 160 km + reserve with brisk driving. How often per year is that not enough, how often is it sufficient?

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