Defensive offer, or have house prices become so expensive?

  • Erstellt am 2022-01-06 14:07:54

HausiKlausi

2022-02-12 23:31:59
  • #1


I know people who really have to think about what to buy to eat because the money runs out at the end of the month. Is that really your only problem – the fear of being called rich? To paraphrase you: "You have no idea what real poverty is, I’m afraid."
 

pagoni2020

2022-02-14 11:35:17
  • #2

Then there will definitely be a state-paid feeding of the poor ....um....-support; we are happy to take that on as well

....above all not our social system, which is based on interpersonal relationships.....always these foreign words.....:eek:. Reminds me of Peter Ustinov with the tear vase when "his Rome" was burning, which he had set on fire himself.......

At the weekend we were in Dresden for a walk with visitors, so in your former "home" and also in that of my wife including her family, who by the way do not own any property from the GDR period; something became clear to me that may not strike the other users here quite so directly in the face because they live elsewhere.

After the reunification, Dresden was rather dilapidated with the Elbe river, which one better not approached due to its smell at the time.
This dilapidated Dresden has been transformed over the last 30 years through our tax money into a gem, the sums of euros spent here can hardly be imagined, so our collective money into your (home) city, while other home cities and communities lacked the necessary funds even for trivial matters. We outsiders paid our taxes for this, you yourself don’t want to for your city and your property.... well, bravo!
While Dresden has long since been playing with gold leaf applications or you listened to the pianist at the Elbe terraces, in Wuppertal or Mannheim people are still standing in line for the daily stew.

All German citizens have involuntarily and selflessly invested through their taxes in your "home" and thereby in the increase in value of your private house in Dresden, thousands of strangers from all over the world have voluntarily donated to rebuild the Frauenkirche among other buildings, which you daily stroll past "feeling at home" and call "home."

Bus drivers from Canada and nurses from Tanzania have donated money and you as the only clever profiteers and owners howl miserably through the internet because suddenly the tax laws do not suit you, which were the very ones that led you to your prosperity. I can no longer listen to the self-overestimating phrases about "toiling and enduring," as if you always did more and "built up" more than others......, if you dig deeper, usually something quite trivial comes out, the real toilers mostly ended up empty-handed anyway!

Heidelberg, Freiburg and other cities were already beautiful before reunification, your “hometown” in particular has swallowed up so much tax money. If your house had stood in Bitterfeld or still in the midst of what was then a rubble dump it would have no such value. The beautiful surroundings and infrastructure paid for by all of us and even strangers precisely also increased the value of your house and not your supposed "achievement."

On the walk in Dresden it became much clearer to me how miserable and almost parasitic your thinking is. Letting others and even strangers from all over the world pay for your front yard, the streets, the university (which your grandchildren have to attend), the great buildings and the special quality of life and the associated increase in value of your property. Letting yourself be fed by others, filling your shopping cart to bursting, but at the checkout refusing to pay the correctly marked invoice on the goods or - as before - wanting to pass it on to the public again, that speaks for a very special caliber.

Your attitude is inherently ignorant and absolutely selfish, but with regard to this special situation of Dresden and you as direct beneficiaries as buyers/owners in/from the reunification period it can hardly be topped in meanness.
Obviously there is no shame or decency filter here in the forum or these have long since blown out.....
 

Pinkiponk

2022-02-14 12:28:31
  • #3
Off topic: A marriage has an impact on previously "acquired" maintenance, pension, and retirement claims. I know some people who do not marry for these reasons.
 

chand1986

2022-02-14 13:41:53
  • #4


It can also be taken down a notch. I consider something else much more likely:



If someone does not understand something completely, they are not parasitic in their thinking, because that implies (malicious) intent.

All of this, expressed in the tone of a exploited Westerner, makes it very unpleasant: Whoever really understands our financial system has also understood that significant economic mistakes were made by the then West German government at reunification. These had to be offset by transfers for decades, and the lost industry was not replaced by new industry but primarily by investments in communal projects. This, too, is an original mistake of the formerly western “victor’s politics.”

In the end, a sentence like “when the roof comes, it just comes” shows a lack of insight into asset matters. The roof also comes when the house is worth half and even then costs the same. Here, too, the increased property value in the background is rather helpful when you have to finance.

And if you are renting out right now, you WANT to finance, because via taxes the loan gradually turns into equity. Of course, it only works if you own property…
 

pagoni2020

2022-02-14 14:57:23
  • #5
The question for me at least is whether someone cannot understand or does not want to understand, even though 100 contradictory impulses come their way. The consistently drastically exaggerated description of possible suffering with regard to the special, local situation is what makes it an annoyance for me in the first place. I use the term with the meaning "at the expense of others...." or "....to exploit something without giving anything in return," a more extreme definition was not intended by me, but the above certainly was. On the other hand, after many pages of attempts at explanation, I would assume intent, at least the intent to evade the legally required tax if possible, which brings us back to the definition I meant. To exploit something, to benefit from it without giving anything in return (even if it is legally required). After such long discussions, it no longer seems to me a question of purely understanding how the financial system works. Whether and from when it is generally evil I do not want to say; for me, in any case, these many pages do not sound pleasant because they are ignorant and selfish towards the community. I simply find it antisocial and thus harmful to a community, which is how things are. However, I have understood and accepted your criticism , the Wessi/Ossi thing I apparently described misleadingly; I thought one would understand how I actually mean it or how it is for me. I did not feel close to the politics of the winners at that time and know many tragic incidents from my family. Dresden has received a lot, very much, which property owners in Dresden should also be aware of. I regularly drive through areas here in Saxony where time has stood still and state money has never really arrived. They have quite different problems......
 

kati1337

2022-02-15 08:56:26
  • #6

Yes, but that is also understandable from the perspective of law and legislation.
Because a wedding or registered partnership is a legally valid, binding contract (how unromantic) on which both parties are thoroughly informed about their rights and obligations (due to his background, my husband was even only allowed to marry me with an interpreter), and then both sign it (in the case of a wedding, even with witnesses).

An unmarried couple is simply nothing before the law. Of course, this does not speak to the strength of the bond between these people, but officially, that cannot have any significance.
Otherwise, anyone could come along when a rich, single lady dies and say, “Oh, Inge? Yes, she was my girlfriend. What a pity. Here’s my IBAN.”
This is, of course, an exaggerated portrayal, but which court wants the time and willingness to constantly argue over how close someone was to someone else, or whether they were still together or separated, or statement A versus statement B. No way. Whoever wants a piece of the pie just has to have signed beforehand. It’s not as complicated as one might think, and nobody expects a white robe at the registry office anymore. :)
 

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