Hangman
2022-02-09 17:35:06
- #1
Yes, the forum is definitely missing a "Miscellaneous" section :) I still find it quite civil here, and also remarkable that is facing it so bravely.
Sure, if I were to list everything here that was inappropriate, I would completely spam the forum.There is nothing "hidden," "bum-bum," etc., these are taxes that affect everyone. Don’t you think everyone can report similar things from their life that they find inappropriate, even though the law says so?
What does that have to do with 1990? You are mixing everything up here, stirring vigorously, and then I am supposed to digest the soup. Again, to think about: A real profit would be if I could buy the same house again when selling the house + 1 cent. But I can’t. On the contrary, I have to give up 133K. The question is never how much money you have, but how much you can buy with it.Of course, it is a profit and no one disputes that with you. You just don’t want to pay your legally prescribed contribution and dramatize the situation with "loss of homeland," quasi expropriation, and the like. However, you don’t mention above that it will be a very large amount of money that potential sellers would then have in their pocket. Will they also only take the 1990 value then? Apparently, you somehow profit significantly from the reunification, against which there is nothing to say, but now it is not enough. You dismiss it as if the value were insignificant... that’s nonsense, sorry. As I said, in my case, the value had almost halved... whom should I have sued?
That is not the case and was not my intention at all. Why the tax exemptions were exactly set to 400K in 2008 and whether that was fair can of course be discussed. The fact is that back then we would simply have inherited the house without having to pay taxes. Today we have to raise a large sum for us in order to be able to keep it. And more and more people are in the same situation. That was the only point I wanted to make.So, exactly that YOU are not affected. For many homeowners, the current values are more than sufficient. If your 1.7 million would cover it, you wouldn’t care about the law or would probably find it okay. You would like to have YOUR law, that would be enough. So at least write it, it should be that MY house is transferred for zero, those in Starnberg or Munich can gladly pay taxes then. Why them and not you? You deliberately don’t want to name a number that you would consider fair!!!
As far as I understood, the house was bought/built around that time for a "fraction" of the current market value, wasn’t it? Certainly at a great price, maybe even a "bargain".... no idea.... but now it’s 30 years later and you yourself quote the former price; however, that no longer applies today. The tax is due when inherited, and I wish you that it will take a long time. I know many people who sold something here in the East back then, simply because they didn’t know "real estate" in that form. My neighbor, a fine old man, sold the entire area here back then for peanuts, where 12 houses now stand. After the reunification, suddenly some smart ones were here (this time not West Germans) ..... Should he have sympathy with his small pension because the buyers then became wealthy after reunification? I’ll ask him tomorrow........What does that have to do with 1990? You’re mixing everything up here, stirring vigorously, and then I’m supposed to digest the soup.
Surely everyone here understands that in terms of the matter, even me! But I can’t complain about the fact that back then there were 10% construction interest rates or that my inheritance vanished during the war. I can complain but who cares? Guess how annoyed those were who inherited in 2007 with the old exemptions or those who missed a subsidy by 3 months...... Many West Germans complained about the solidarity surcharge at times, I got nothing from it either, but it was still a contribution to the common good, even if it was not always used properly. I was forced to pay it, nobody asked me. The rules of the respective time apply, that can bother you and me but to feel "loss of homeland" and quasi expropriation because of it is, in my opinion, too much of a good thing. You didn’t write that you think this tax should be changed but rather conveyed that your economic life is on the edge and the hard-earned family wealth is being destroyed by the state. There was a lot of drama in your account; people here didn’t make that up and that’s what most were bothered by. The drama and not the wish to change a tax. You should reread your writings on that. However, I am still surprised that you did not respond to a single suggestion from the users here or asked concretely but almost stubbornly repeated the same thing as if the others didn’t understand. Do we perhaps have one of those East/West Germany discussions here in the background? I would actually find that exciting because unfortunately it hasn’t really happened in society so far. In our multicultural family here (I, as a West German, am the multicultural part) we do that from time to time and both sides are almost shocked by what still often lies dormant in the back of the mind.Why the tax exemptions were set exactly at 400K in 2008 and whether that was fair can be debated. The fact is, back then we would have simply inherited the house without having to pay taxes. Today we have to come up with a large sum for us to keep it. And this is happening to more and more people. That’s the only point I wanted to make.
So what, let them leave. There are reasons why people stay here and don't move to warmer places. Germany is really ugly and has terrible weather, yet I stay here too – and I have already lived in many much nicer and warmer places. The question is not highly complex – the forum new social market economy is really doing good work ;).. But this whole "tax the really rich" thing also has its pitfalls. Because Germany isn't that great after all, and then they just move somewhere where the sun shines more. There are no simple answers to highly complex questions.
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