Gas prices - Where is gas still affordable?

  • Erstellt am 2022-07-14 09:22:14

SumsumBiene

2022-07-27 09:37:22
  • #1
Biogas is also not really organic and that would then just be canceled. If you transport corn from Mecklenburg-Vorpommern to Schleswig-Holstein to keep the plants profitable, that is simply not really ecologically sensible. The mix makes the difference. There is not just one solution to the energy problem.
 

Pinkiponk

2022-07-27 09:50:00
  • #2
I fully agree with your two posts and try to contribute a part to it. However, it is absolutely important to me that every measure is also accompanied by measures to reduce the global population growth. We humans are taking away more and more living space from animals and plants, and this will (presumably?) not change through renewable energies. Since 1974, our number has almost doubled. Every human life is valuable, and I wish that these lives are not only valuable but also happy; and I am also of the opinion that due to the limited resources on this earth, this is not possible for an unlimited number of people.
 

Pinkiponk

2022-07-27 10:03:19
  • #3

Thank you for your comments. I think this is a good approach, that every government "starts somewhere" or "pushes something" and establishes it, so that others can then copy it. As mentioned several times, I believe not every country needs to do everything immediately, but rather start with some of the examples you named. New business fields will then also emerge (while others will probably disappear).
In Germany, I wouldn’t necessarily start with a speed limit, but rather with a higher VAT on meat and sausage. Accompanied by measures such as many reports/documentaries from slaughterhouses, cooking shows with tasty alternatives, cooking lessons in schools with no or low meat content, etc. Even though I eat meat and sausage, I am still too rarely aware that I am consuming carcasses. But this is a very subjective example. :-) Being able to drive quickly in exceptional cases is more important to me than eating meat and sausage.
 

haydee

2022-07-27 10:42:55
  • #4
So I am definitely more in favor of a speed limit than higher VAT on meat and sausage. Meat and sausage are harmful and not healthy. Is domestic regional meat worse than chocolate? If you want to increase VAT for environmental protection reasons, then please do it correctly for all food. And who is supposed to decide that? Beef from Argentina higher rate, meat from the local farmer who only feeds his own fodder lower rate, the plum from Chile higher rate, the one from Germany lower rate, and what about the one from Italy? Or apple? At what point is the German apple more harmful than the imported apple? Especially in the meat sector, a lot has happened in recent months. On the one hand, massive price increases for consumers, especially in the cheap segment, on the other hand, it is becoming increasingly unprofitable for producers. As long as no cheaper meat comes from abroad, the market will regulate itself. Speed limits do not require a bureaucratic monster. Those who want to drive fast – and yes, that is a lot of fun – should go to racetracks. German highways are hardly suitable for that anymore.
 

haydee

2022-07-27 10:50:58
  • #5
Back to the subject, the whole gas issue is affecting me deeply. Many jobs depend on it, entire production chains. Saving yes, but without jobs, discussions about 18 or 20 degrees room temperature are irrelevant. For many, 18 degrees is already unaffordable. We need energy security.
 

i_b_n_a_n

2022-07-27 11:02:21
  • #6

Me too, even if I am probably only indirectly affected. Very socially harsh times are coming upon us – unfortunately. Still, I am firmly convinced that with considerable efforts, we could mitigate this. Act NOW, and across the board. That means: speed limit IMMEDIATELY, reduce meat consumption (by what means?), ramp up renewables as much as possible, and all measures that are possible. Preferably simultaneously. And of course, the actions of each individual are also relevant.
 

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