Gas prices - Where is gas still affordable?

  • Erstellt am 2022-07-14 09:22:14

Deliverer

2022-07-15 17:00:07
  • #1
That is really stupid. You should do something about it.

Ah and - maybe it got lost - it is also your energy transition. And that of your children. ;-)

PS: So far your involvement has been rather poor. Reflect again, if necessary read up once more and then formulate an important new point, please.
 

Scout**

2022-07-15 17:02:53
  • #2


I can only tell you that this is seen differently in the control rooms of Uniper and RWE. Unless you want South African conditions. Deal with reality or reality will deal with you!


Most of these shutdown nuclear power plants there are at the end of their lifespan. They have fed in 40 years each 8,000 full load hours = 320,000 full load hours and should have already been replaced. Because of people like you, it’s harder than actually necessary.

By the way, the average lifetime of decommissioned wind turbines in Germany was 16.5 years, with 2,000 full load hours that is 33,000 full load hours, so only about 1/10. Offshore about twice that, but even here it would only be 1/5.

And full load hours with wind are erratic, with nuclear power, in contrast, very predictable.

Even now, at the end of the lifetime of most of the power plant fleet in France, 30 GW are still available from 61 GW. One thing I guarantee you – of the 61 GW of photovoltaic capacity also installed in Germany, exactly 0 GW will be expected tonight. Without conventional backup power plants, photovoltaics in this magnitude in the power mix would therefore be practically worthless.



France has 14 nuclear power plants in the pipeline; even the UK wants to plan not only up to 40 gigawatts from offshore installations by 2030 but also 8 new reactors. Most of these from EDF, but they are state-owned, so you cannot invest. Two, I believe, come from Hitachi, which, however, is a fairly diversified conglomerate.
 

Marvinius

2022-07-15 17:05:17
  • #3

No, it is the energy transition of the subsidy racketeers and Gas-Gerds, but not mine.
Please just be honest for once.
 

Deliverer

2022-07-15 17:14:48
  • #4
They can want a lot. So far, they haven’t managed to complete even one. It just gets a few billion more expensive every year... Now the only ones who can weld the lid have failed, and they urgently need a new supplier for the fuel rods... Oh well, it’ll surely work out soon. There is simply no one willing to put money into it anymore because by now too many know the true costs. These stupid "people like me." Just asking questions instead of shutting up. Oh yes – and because no one invests anymore, this is what it’s been like here for a few weeks: The poor French have to fully shoulder this nonsense now. The company has skimmed off tens of billions in "profits" over two or three decades; as soon as things get tight, it cuddles up to mommy. There were times in France when something like this would have been handled differently. We were really lucky to get away with just a black eye. And that black eye will hurt our great-great-grandchildren very, very much.
 

Deliverer

2022-07-15 17:18:00
  • #5

Uniper. Right. THEY have always stood out through foresight. ;-)


That's exactly how the climate does it too. But then I don't want to hear anyone complaining when it washes grandma down into the valley!
 

i_b_n_a_n

2022-07-15 17:20:16
  • #6
Our ancestors will probably have to let that last sentence sink in.

Worldwide average about 2/3 = about 5,800 hours per year, so only about 230,000 hours (if you already throw numbers into the ring).

And darling, to whom do we again owe that primarily wind turbines are switched off because of overload? Oh, could it be those inflexible nuclear power plants? I would think the balance sheet would look significantly better if the Renewable Energy Act were allowed to run, but that just doesn’t work with coal and nuclear, and gas is currently hard to get.

Which minister said again: with 2% RE in Germany the lights go out here?
 

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