Gas prices - Where is gas still affordable?

Even if we in Germany were to completely give up fossil energy immediately, nothing would change for humanity's chances.

First: yes, it would. Second: 195 countries have signed. And we are by far not leading in our efforts, ALTHOUGH we are among the richest. Sad, isn't it?

Then please show me where this subsidy exists. As far as I know, there is a feed-in tariff of about 6 cents. Nothing else. That is worlds away from 100% funding at the current prices for photovoltaics. It has not been adjusted either. Besides, I also have to pay tax on the electricity that I consume myself. I am always talking about the private consumer who has photovoltaic panels on the roof.

has explained it in detail. You see 6 cents per kWh as robbery, but it is actually a gift! As he wrote. Your investment in photovoltaics is currently reimbursed to you by about 70% over the course of its lifetime. By the way, after the end of the feed-in tariff, the photovoltaic system does not disappear into thin air and usually still has well over 90% efficiency (The state simply gives you the 6 cents! For example, buy a private car, do you get a little gift for every kilometer driven?). But you have to want to understand that... I know several people privately who have about 20-year-old systems that still work like a charm, only one inverter was ever defective, and replacing it cost around 2K. P.S. I also believe that currently the systems are still paid for at (significantly) more than 100% before their technical end; in the case of surplus feed-in, that depends on how much they use themselves and don’t have to buy for at least 30 cents (not losing means winning! Old poker wisdom ;) )

It would be fair then if grandma, who built up our country, knew that in 3 years she can no longer pay her gas bill and therefore has to sell her hard-earned house?

I'll make myself very unpopular briefly.

1. There are no longer many specimens of the "rubble women," as far as they ever existed outside of post-war propaganda, who still own their own homes.
2. I actually don't find that unfair. One has to be able to afford a house at all times. If that’s no longer the case, one has to sell it. And exactly this argument is still being used to sell houses today.
-> Building up assets for old age. When I’m old, I naturally have to use up my assets.

When grandma has sold and found a place in the senior shared apartment, then we can discuss the next renovation or floor plan thread here. Natural cycle of life. With the difference that the new buyer will soon certainly heat without gas.

Then show me please where this funding exists. As far as I know, there is a feed-in tariff of around 6 cents. Nothing else.

You have found it, the feed-in tariff. It is currently being raised from 6.3 to 8 point something. And yes, this feed-in tariff pays off the system. One kWp on the roof generates 1000 kWh/year. That is €80 per year, which makes (over 20 years) a guaranteed €1600. That is how much the kWp (without VAT) on the roof may cost you if you want 100% funding. That is even currently no problem. Every kWh you consume yourself saves you ~25 cents. That is then your return on the upfront investment. What else in life is subsidized so heavily and still brings money in the end? If you are more interested in photovoltaics, there is a thread here once a week in which plenty of capable people like to write a lot.

explained it in detail. You see 6 cents per kWh as robbery, but it is a gift! As he wrote. Your investment in photovoltaics is currently reimbursed to you by about 70% over the term. By the way, after the end of the feed-in tariff, the photovoltaic system does not just disappear into thin air and usually still has well over 90% efficiency (The state simply gives you the 6 cents as a gift! For example, buy a private car, do you get a little gift for every kilometer driven?) But you have to want to understand that.. I personally know several people who have systems about 20 years old, they still run like a charm, only a single inverter was ever defective, the replacement cost about 2K.

Why is it a gift when I provide energy that the energy company can then sell at many times the price? I provide something that someone else can use. That is probably different from the kilometers driven with a car.

I'll make myself very unpopular briefly.

1. As far as the "Trümmerfrauen" are concerned, assuming they ever existed outside of post-war propaganda, there aren't many specimens left in their own four walls.
2. I actually don't find that unfair. A house had to be affordable at all times. When that's no longer the case, you have to sell it. And exactly this argument is still used to sell houses today.
-> Building assets for old age. When I'm old, I must obviously consume the assets.


When grandma has then sold and found a place in the senior shared apartment, we can discuss the next renovation or floor plan thread here. The natural cycle of life. With the difference that the new buyer will soon certainly heat without gas.

Optionally my alternative version to that: The children buy the old ladies' house at a fair price, tear down the old hut, build an energy-efficient multi-family house including a small senior- and disability-friendly apartment for grandma on the huge plot, and everyone lives happily ever after until the end ;)