Gas prices - Where is gas still affordable?

  • Erstellt am 2022-07-14 09:22:14

Deliverer

2022-07-17 20:28:03
  • #1

Maybe one has to adjust the perspectives in the country a bit. I wish for a cap at 20%/year. That may be a lot, but it is a clear roadmap. And even though!! we currently have 300%/year, my proposal is bad. Well then. No cap. Then no socially acceptable policy. Good luck to everyone alone, but please don’t complain if half (and especially grandma!) get left behind.


Without the last sentence, I would have almost considered the demand for more photovoltaics funding as cheeky. But obviously, you really don’t know:
Photovoltaics have been supported by feed-in tariffs for 20 years. The subsidies have always amounted to something between 100 and 300% of the purchase price. In addition, there were plenty of tax gifts and reliefs (which admittedly have always involved effort and unfortunately still do).
Until half a year ago, every photovoltaic system was still supported at about 100%. Due to the price spiral, this slipped down to around 70%, which has now been readjusted. Now, medium-sized systems are again in the range of 100%.
As a bonus, you are allowed to consume as much of that electricity yourself as you want. That pays off about three times as much.

I don’t think one urgently has to shout for even more funding now. After all, we are talking about roof owners here, who tend to belong to the richer half of the population. More than paying everything is hardly necessary, right?

Careful, this is only about photovoltaics. Storage systems are funded little or not at all, because there is no public interest in having inefficient small storage units standing in basements. They don’t help the grid, they don’t help the operator, and they harm the energy transition because on average they waste about 20% of the best green electricity in operation. These things are a hobby and have never paid off.
 

mayglow

2022-07-17 20:33:14
  • #2
I think that was a misunderstanding. I initially also understood that, in your opinion, gas should become (at least) 20% more expensive so that the switch to renewables becomes more and more worthwhile over time. But apparently, that was not what you meant.
 

motorradsilke

2022-07-17 20:40:25
  • #3
Then please show me where this subsidy exists. As far as I know, there is a feed-in tariff of around 6 cents. Nothing else. That is worlds away from 100% subsidy at current photovoltaic prices. That has also not been adjusted. In addition, I still have to pay tax on the electricity I consume myself. I am always talking about the private consumer who has photovoltaics on the roof.
 

Kokovi79

2022-07-17 20:43:00
  • #4
I can't stand this whining about rising costs for fossil energy anymore. Of course it is expensive and inconvenient, but what is the alternative? Should I tell my son in 30 years: "Sorry, the planet is just ruined, I'm stepping down now, but using renewables was just too inconvenient for us"? Honestly, some people will lose their homes, but at least humanity still has a chance.
 

motorradsilke

2022-07-17 20:46:35
  • #5


Even if we in Germany were to completely abandon fossil energy immediately, it would not change humanity's chance.
 

Deliverer

2022-07-17 20:47:06
  • #6
Just checked again – what I really didn’t want: to just slap on 20% more this year. What it was about for me: If politics realizes that times are wild and we urgently need to move away from things people have grown fond of, then there must be a clear exit path. Unfortunately, the opposite was the case. Gas and pellet heating systems are even being subsidized, EVEN THOUGH politics already knows they can only run for another 15 years. People are actively being driven into shit. That’s simply not fair, because in the end there are a lot of “dumb” people, probably including the above-quoted old lady, because she has to listen to the plumber.
 

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