Gas prices - Where is gas still affordable?

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Scout**

2022-07-15 10:59:59
  • #1


Germany is/was the export world champion until recently. Half of the economic output goes abroad.

In terms of macroeconomic efficiency, measured as energy input relative to economic output, we rank fifth(!) worldwide out of around 200 countries. Unique for such an export giant!

However, as has been seen in recent months, exports are declining due to rising energy prices. I fear this will accelerate massively.

The demand for our export goods such as vehicles and chemical products remains globally unbroken. No problem, this industry will simply move elsewhere or be wiped out by competitors (as already happened with wind turbines and photovoltaics). But as can be seen from the fifth place in efficiency, this will hardly happen with less energy input.

In summary, it can therefore be stated with good reason that what is happening through the energy transition and expensive prices in terms of production destruction/price increases will not influence global demand and will overall lead to a higher energy use, especially through fossil energy.

Why exactly did we want to carry out something like the energy transition again? Yes, exactly... :p

CO2 stops at the border and we are role models that other countries will surely want to imitate. Two self-deceptions that will bring us here to the level of an emerging country, and due to the morally carried monstrance, will make us the laughing stock of the G-20. At least it will be enough for first place in ethical orientation. Everything else has just gone wrong.
 

Deliverer

2022-07-15 11:49:16
  • #2
Why do so many people believe we are somehow leaders in climate protection? Look up the statistics for the expansion of renewable energy in the last five years! We can’t even meet our own half-hearted goals, let alone the 1.5°C target. We are lagging behind and trying not to lose economic ground. Which is not easy, since the CDU sold all future technologies to China so that the diesel engine could continue to be developed here! Unfortunately, there are still far too many stupid people who fall for these crooks and the groundless claims of some here. In the end, it’s education that could save us after all. We will surely do it soon. But first 100 billion for the military! Better safe than sorry!
 

Scout**

2022-07-15 12:02:36
  • #3
WE will achieve the 1.5°C on our own. Absolutely, absolutely sure. At least as sure as the pension. ;) That sounds arrogant now. But one should not confuse arrogance with education. I don't want to praise myself. but, stupidly, it's true: I have a degree in electrical engineering, know the technology, and can calculate instead of fooling myself. I'm also currently covering my roof with photovoltaic panels. Because I can calculate. Because it's a great addition. But I do not claim that this saves the world or that it could disconnect me from the power grid for that reason. The latter would be uneconomical to disastrous, for me and even more so for an economy. And as I have just explained, it would also not be advantageous for the planet if this only happened here.
 

Deliverer

2022-07-15 12:07:12
  • #4

Only you claim that nonsense...


That part reads very funny. :-)
 

chand1986

2022-07-15 12:27:04
  • #5
The 1.5°C is a GLOBAL target and I would bet any wager that this target will be missed. Regarding the old 2°C target, I would take the 2:1 against it.

Reasoning:

a) It is not a lack of technology, but of social innovations. We do not know HOW to coordinate the world population with its differentiated goals and values in order to turn the really big wheels. We do not even have corresponding global institutions in the pipeline.

b) As long as the global hunger for fossil fuels remains unquenched, savings in one place are simply sold and burned elsewhere. What Germany or the EU can reduce a little lowers the world market price a bit and more is bought in Asia and Africa. The global CO2 emissions are not affected by this. Oil that is extracted from the earth is also burned.

b)* Which brings us back to a): We do not have a world institution that lets the oil price rise linearly and continuously for decades. How could we? But that is exactly what would encourage market forces to switch to other things in the long term.

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However, it is important to emphasize that every bit less warming helps to reduce damage and risks, even if the above-mentioned targets are not met. Please keep in mind: +2°C on average means over +4°C on land, since the oceans react much more slowly to warming and cover the much larger area of the Earth. It already occasionally reaches close to 40°C in summer… just saying.
 

Deliverer

2022-07-15 12:31:48
  • #6
You have very nicely gone round in circles with your argument. ;-) Since you have now noticed it yourself—you do build photovoltaic systems—just briefly for others: The cheap energies are the renewables. The expensive ones, because of which we are in the economic and climate crisis, are the fossil ones. (Besides that, there is nuclear, which is on an entirely different scale of expense, so not worth mentioning.) So: If we "suffer" this winter, it is due to too few renewables available. The reason why light switches still work in France and the German stock market electricity price remains somewhat reasonable is the small amount of renewables that, despite all resistance, could still be established. Now please build the argument properly from the beginning again.
 

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