Gas prices - Where is gas still affordable?

  • Erstellt am 2022-07-14 09:22:14

Scout**

2022-09-14 20:10:54
  • #1
Oh come on, even climate positive! Probably skeptics would again come up with a new cult warning about the "overfishing of the atmosphere" and the reduction of plant growth :D
 

xMisterDx

2022-09-20 00:36:28
  • #2


2.5-3 is not a lower average for an air-water heat pump... very few people pay a lot extra to install a larger heat pump than the heat calculation requires and, for even more extra cost, reduce the flow temperature to 28°C and have the pipes laid less than 10 cm apart... Then the outdoor unit is placed in permanent shade in the north, and you can be glad if you even reach 3 in a mild winter...

And andimann mentioned the most important point at the end. It may be the most noble to store gas, convert it into electricity in power plants, and then use it in heat pumps. But that is by far the most technically complex and expensive way. Especially since dozens of new power lines would have to be built or upgraded for that... the natural gas network is already there, nothing needs to be upgraded...

The engineer always has to weigh the technically best but also the most economical solution ;)

Like with underfloor heating and a flow temperature of 28°C instead of 35°C... thousands of euros are thrown out the window for a few percent savings, which does not pay off even over decades...
 

4lpha0ne

2022-09-28 08:01:17
  • #3

In the last sentence, at least the connection between reducing explicit gas consumption for heating vs. the electricity mix and supplementary base load supply, which partly got out of balance due to the French maintenance wave, is not recognizable.
And will this figurative lignite power plant run extra for the next 20 years for that purpose?
 

Gecko1927

2022-09-28 08:41:44
  • #4
A heat pump only really makes sense when I generate the electricity myself, for example from photovoltaics, or it is locally generated through renewable energies. This was not possible with conventional fossil fuel heating systems. Unlike pellet heating, I am also not dependent on the fluctuating prices on the international wood market, which currently makes them absurdly expensive.
 

dertill

2022-09-28 09:03:11
  • #5


Meanwhile at Bornholm ... oh no, it’s not flaring, just bubbling. There, at Bornholm, gas is still affordable at the moment, drive quickly and collect it, otherwise it will soon only get more expensive. It won’t be green or climate neutral then either, but at least Freedom Gas in the future.
 

halmi

2022-09-28 09:25:05
  • #6
How does one actually come up with that nonsense? There’s a lot of bubbling but certainly no gas...
 

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