Gas prices - Where is gas still affordable?

  • Erstellt am 2022-07-14 09:22:14

i_b_n_a_n

2022-07-15 12:35:37
  • #1

I suspect that there’s at least as much irony in your sentence above as there is sarcasm in the part quoted from ?
Germany certainly cannot and will not save the world, so what? Is that a reason to continue as before?

I actually wanted to write a long treatise on the historical beginning of the catastrophe here, but I lost the desire. I still have to create a crying smiley here soon :rolleyes:
 

Deliverer

2022-07-15 12:39:04
  • #2

Not globally yet, but locally a bit: There are more and more countries introducing CO2 pricing. These tend to be the countries whose remaining budget is very, very low. They have the money for it and can afford it.
India, for example, has a much larger CO2 budget and can theoretically take until around 2050 for decarbonization.
And the glimmer of hope is, of course, ultimately the energy price: oil production is currently becoming rapidly more expensive, while wind and solar have reached the range of one cent per kWh. The expansion is now happening insanely fast. And eventually, the Germans will notice this and follow suit. Bet on it! ;-)
 

Deliverer

2022-07-15 12:42:24
  • #3
Come on Silke, join in. Why does my post make you sad? Did I write something wrong? Do you know any arguments to refute my claim, or do you simply not like it?
 

halmi

2022-07-15 12:49:58
  • #4
, generally, I tend to agree with you, but you yourself write... "arguments to refute my claims..." Just provide proof for your claims, and many discussions will resolve themselves.

What exactly does CO2-neutral energy supply for an industrial country in the future look like?
 

motorradsilke

2022-07-15 12:55:11
  • #5


I have a different opinion on this. Renewable energy is good and should of course be promoted and expanded (the money for the Bundeswehr would be better invested in promotion), but as a small country, we will not save the world as long as the big players do not participate. And now, due to the current policy, we are causing a lot of suffering in the country that could be avoided. NS2 is ready and could supply gas. That would make the gas price bearable again, provide enough gas, and people would not have to fear for their existence. Of course, that would support Putin, but he will sell his gas elsewhere anyway. Then gradually making gas and oil more expensive and using the revenue generated from this to promote renewable energy would be, in my view, the right way.

As I said, I know many people who are now really afraid. And this is accepted by the politicians.
 

Deliverer

2022-07-15 13:00:20
  • #6


You are right, I would very, very much like to actually throw around more links. Unfortunately, you always get warned for that here, so I try to provide search terms.

For your general question, "100% renewable fraunhofer" and "100% renewable ifeu" are helpful. That is where the current state of science can be read. The Berlin group around Quaschning recently recalculated it again.

For which other claim do you want data?

PS: If I don’t write anything later, it’s not because of me, but because of the mod who interprets the above as "reference to external websites"... ;-)
 

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