Gas prices - Where is gas still affordable?

  • Erstellt am 2022-07-14 09:22:14

chand1986

2022-07-15 13:07:07
  • #1
I want to point out that what is theoretically possible and what is practically feasible often lie far apart. Because people and their societies simply don’t work like technocratic Excel spreadsheets. These concerns always arise in me precisely when I hear a representative of Fridays For Future say: "You just have to(sic!) […]" No! If it were easy, it would have been done that way. But it is almost arbitrarily difficult for reasons that have nothing to do with physics and technology, but rather with the fact that people are the way they are.
 

Deliverer

2022-07-15 13:10:44
  • #2
Thank you for taking notes. I believe what we should clarify a bit better in the discussion is the division of topics into "climate change and what can be done about it" and "war in Ukraine." Just because I want a rapid expansion of renewable energy doesn't mean I want anyone to have to freeze or suffer until then. I have also never commented on which measures against Putin are appropriate and what can reasonably be demanded of the German people so that the slaughtering of tens of thousands is punished. THAT is a truly shitty job that our politicians currently have to do. What I said was: if we hadn’t been so careless, we could have fully sanctioned Putin WITHOUT having to freeze in winter. And maybe I hope that this will wake someone up and that we do better in the future. What I didn’t say is that by tomorrow every 88-year-old widow must replace her oil heating with a heat pump and is damned to insulate her house. Also, Mr. "I've-always-done-my-wood-myself" is gladly allowed to keep heating his yard with wood. But does that mean now everyone has to start replacing gas with wood out of war panic? In this sense. Enjoy your meal.
 

Deliverer

2022-07-15 13:13:10
  • #3
And that's exactly where you have to start, and that's exactly why I wear out my keycaps here like this. And if it inspires even one person to think, who then switches from pellets to a heat pump, it has helped.
 

halmi

2022-07-15 13:25:21
  • #4
, by 2050 that might well be possible, but we would like to have it done by 2030, at the latest 2035. How it theoretically works has been written down thousands of times, but how do you implement it? That’s why my specific question, googling studies is relatively easy. How does one want to efficiently and affordably for the tenant convert a city like Berlin from central, or even worse decentralized, gas or oil heating systems to heat pumps? So, very concrete? You can refurbish half the city, but then the topic of "more affordable housing" is settled.

What is the current status? We can’t even manage to build the power lines to transport renewable electricity across the country. Ironically, these are often blocked by those who want green electricity.

In my opinion, what’s missing here is simply a proper portion of realism. A large part is wishful thinking and dreaming.
 

motorradsilke

2022-07-15 13:28:05
  • #5


Well, if he can no longer afford the gas (and that’s where the whole discussion began), he needs an alternative. Nothing helps, not even what we could have done. We didn’t. The situation is as it is now. There isn’t enough electricity from renewables for everyone to heat with it yet. And so anyone who now uses what is available eases the pressure on the system. I can understand everyone whose climate protection doesn’t matter when they no longer know how to keep their place warm. And the topics can’t be separated; unfortunately, they belong together. Yes, politicians don’t have the most pleasant job at the moment. But they chose it. And they swore an oath, which is to serve the people in their country. And unfortunately, I see deficits in that at the moment.
 

motorradsilke

2022-07-15 13:30:11
  • #6
And if MANY do it NOW, where does the electricity come from NOW?
 

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