Gas prices - Where is gas still affordable?

Be careful, this is only about photovoltaics. Storage systems are little to not subsidized at all because there is no public interest in having inefficient small storage units standing in basements. They don't help the grid, they don't help the operator, and they harm the energy transition, as on average they destroy about 20% of the best green electricity during operation. These things are a hobby and have never been economically viable.

Storage systems for private individuals? That simply won't do, they might eventually become self-sufficient in power supply and then they could be charged less...

And that is now YOUR argument NOT to support the Greens' energy transition but instead you'd rather wait and see if the CSU still manages it this millennium?

We are all waiting for the "nuclear energy transition" of the Greens :)

And then: You seriously want to compare the current politics of Red/Yellow & Green with the Third Reich. Whoa, more than one screw is loose there.

Why is such rubbish even here?

If we had started in the 60s, when climate change was clear, 5% would have been enough. We messed up there, now we just have to put a little more pressure on the kettle.

Didn't they expect an ice age in the 60s?:):):) It's terrible what those two from the green agitprop department are spouting here. Were you still trained with the "I love you all" approach?

Fascinating how much hatred one can have for "the Greens" after they have had practically NOTHING to say for the last 50 years.

Oh how terrible, now the Greens themselves have to suffer the consequences of green policies. A.M. was practically some kind of red-green submarine.....

Didn't they expect an ice age in the 60s?:):):)
Terrible what those two from the green agitprop department are spouting here.
Were you trained with the "I love you all" approach?

Oh how terrible, now the Greens themselves have to bear the consequences of green politics. A.M. was practically a kind of red-green submarine.....

Oh dear...someone has much bigger problems than the current situation

Well..here too you can find a small cross-section of society...

Yesterday there was a very interesting report that I briefly tuned into. It was about the electricity price formation for producers, the electricity market in the EU, and the fact that Germany has been producing a surplus of electricity for years. Currently, the gas power plants in Germany are running like crazy to compensate for the missing electricity in France (I think it was about 10 TW, and yes, these are the ones with almost 60 nuclear power plants, nearly half of which are offline due to maintenance or technical defects), German electricity surplus is also being supplied to other EU countries, even, via detours, to Italy. Wait a minute, didn’t we want to fill our gas storage for the winter? That doesn’t add up – or does it? Electricity prices at the Leipzig electricity exchange are apparently paid according to the most expensive generated electricity tariff and to everyone, meaning the cheaply generated renewable energy TW and the supposedly cheap from nuclear power plants etc. are all paid EQUALLY with the highest price per kWh. So renewable energy producers are currently making a killing (of course not the small rooftop photovoltaics, but only companies with concessions. They were talking about over 30 billion in EXTRA revenues). Habeck wanted to skim that off, but it seems politically to be running into a wall because currently it is being investigated, it would probably be very difficult :( End consumers are expected to soon pay 50-55 cents per kWh according to (serious?) forecasts. And these are not just "homegrown problems" in Germany but in the whole EU. Von der Leyen gave a nice speech about this, well, talking doesn’t help much anymore. For me, I’m not pessimistic, as soon as my old energy-guzzling house is sold, I’ll come out of this relatively cheaply. But for many others, at least for the next 1-2 years, I don’t see a truly socially acceptable way :eek: An employee of our tax advisor is co-owner of several large wind turbines. He already spoke at the beginning of the year about a money shower last autumn/winter (due to no cap on the Renewable Energy Act UPWARDS!, so about 20 cents instead of about 5 cents per kWh). With many MWh produced, you can imagine some people don’t even know how to get rid of all the money anymore ;)