R.Hotzenplotz
2017-06-21 15:41:56
- #1
He did. The pipe is in the wall.
And is that problematic?
Floor plan draft for a 220m² single-family house
- Erstellt am 2017-06-20 22:41:15
And is that problematic?
11ant
2017-06-21 15:49:13
- #2
Visually not for me, I still noticed it. However, I am also reading here on a desktop, with the smartphone I only make calls. Structurally I do not think it is problematic, only demanding; I would be interested in the execution drawing (and/or photos of the construction) for that.And is that problematic?
R.Hotzenplotz
2017-06-21 20:51:30
- #3
This is a previous upper floor layout. After sleeping on it, I find the sequence of bathroom / laundry here better. Going from the bedroom past the walk-in closet AND the laundry room into the bathroom seems strange.
Otherwise, I have taken away some impressions from what has been written here that probably do not fit well and about which I would like to give the architect some input. The question is only how and with what phrasing?
In summary, the following points are relevant for me:
- The cloakroom feels like a corridor; exactly how wide is it and is there an alternative to maybe design it open? It won’t shift towards the garage. My wife wants to keep it as it is and I was allowed to implement my wishes in other areas.
- Would it help the layout to give up the continuous staircase and plan a corner solution at a somewhat less exposed place in favor of simpler layouts?
- Could it make any sense to shorten the pantry on the right somewhat in order to somehow gain a more generous passage to the living room? The passage to the kitchen would then move further to the left (the kitchen is too large anyway).
- Through a possible different staircase solution, the house might perhaps become a bit shorter (at the front!), with the goal of reducing the kitchen to a reasonable size. Alternatively to shortening, the gained space could be used for the living room, which seems too short (I am still pondering whether 5.69 m might be enough... we want to use surround speakers and they should stand behind and not beside the couch).
Upper floor:
- The door from the hallway to the parents’ area should open outward, not inward; opening inward seems unnecessarily complicated to me to get into the bedroom.
- The hallway is probably really too narrow. I estimate it to be about one meter, as well as the staircase, which we see about 10 cm wider, making the hallway significantly wider. Here it is 1.40 m and that is comfortable without being pompous.
- Also, I found that the bathtub in the corner between three walls bothers me a lot. It does not fit a house this large at all. That would be resolved if laundry and bath were swapped but the corner remains anyway and a bigger children’s bathroom doesn’t help anyone...
- The comment about the “corridor” in the children’s room was also good. But even there I see no real solution without a more or less new design with a new staircase orientation.
Somehow I feel the staircase is an issue for many of these points.
I find it difficult to approach this. I don’t want to have 3-4 more plans made now. Therefore, I should describe as concretely as possible which alternative or adjustments should be implemented.
If anyone has input in this regard, I would be glad! Otherwise, I will probably only have the necessary things adjusted somehow. That would be the hallway width, the bathroom swap, and possibly the cloakroom situation.
Otherwise, I have taken away some impressions from what has been written here that probably do not fit well and about which I would like to give the architect some input. The question is only how and with what phrasing?
In summary, the following points are relevant for me:
- The cloakroom feels like a corridor; exactly how wide is it and is there an alternative to maybe design it open? It won’t shift towards the garage. My wife wants to keep it as it is and I was allowed to implement my wishes in other areas.
- Would it help the layout to give up the continuous staircase and plan a corner solution at a somewhat less exposed place in favor of simpler layouts?
- Could it make any sense to shorten the pantry on the right somewhat in order to somehow gain a more generous passage to the living room? The passage to the kitchen would then move further to the left (the kitchen is too large anyway).
- Through a possible different staircase solution, the house might perhaps become a bit shorter (at the front!), with the goal of reducing the kitchen to a reasonable size. Alternatively to shortening, the gained space could be used for the living room, which seems too short (I am still pondering whether 5.69 m might be enough... we want to use surround speakers and they should stand behind and not beside the couch).
Upper floor:
- The door from the hallway to the parents’ area should open outward, not inward; opening inward seems unnecessarily complicated to me to get into the bedroom.
- The hallway is probably really too narrow. I estimate it to be about one meter, as well as the staircase, which we see about 10 cm wider, making the hallway significantly wider. Here it is 1.40 m and that is comfortable without being pompous.
- Also, I found that the bathtub in the corner between three walls bothers me a lot. It does not fit a house this large at all. That would be resolved if laundry and bath were swapped but the corner remains anyway and a bigger children’s bathroom doesn’t help anyone...
- The comment about the “corridor” in the children’s room was also good. But even there I see no real solution without a more or less new design with a new staircase orientation.
Somehow I feel the staircase is an issue for many of these points.
I find it difficult to approach this. I don’t want to have 3-4 more plans made now. Therefore, I should describe as concretely as possible which alternative or adjustments should be implemented.
If anyone has input in this regard, I would be glad! Otherwise, I will probably only have the necessary things adjusted somehow. That would be the hallway width, the bathroom swap, and possibly the cloakroom situation.
ypg
2017-06-21 21:34:15
- #4
Now big and in peace
You uploaded a PDF and a JPG – they are different. The pantry is sometimes here and sometimes there.
I also like your hand sketch better. That may be because a) I don’t like large islands that are against a wall. These are impractical and don’t allow for walking around the island. Especially since in your case, people tend to walk through the hallway rather than use the kitchen itself, because going around the small island takes too long. b) With over 20 sqm, the paths are no longer ergonomic for cooking but just too long.
Otherwise, I don’t find the other rooms excessively large. And 3 meters as the narrowest distance in a child’s room is not too narrow either. The room is neither 3 x 4 nor 2.40 meters wide (as was often the case before). It is a decent room where even a proper shelf unit or cupboard fits on the wall behind the door... A cupboard with 60 cm depth will probably be difficult?! <- I would question that, because even youth cupboards are that deep.
In kitchen planning, you can consider rotating the island 90 degrees so that you can look at it when entering and walk around it.
Currently, it is the digital architect's draft.
You uploaded a PDF and a JPG – they are different. The pantry is sometimes here and sometimes there.
I also like your hand sketch better. That may be because a) I don’t like large islands that are against a wall. These are impractical and don’t allow for walking around the island. Especially since in your case, people tend to walk through the hallway rather than use the kitchen itself, because going around the small island takes too long. b) With over 20 sqm, the paths are no longer ergonomic for cooking but just too long.
Otherwise, I don’t find the other rooms excessively large. And 3 meters as the narrowest distance in a child’s room is not too narrow either. The room is neither 3 x 4 nor 2.40 meters wide (as was often the case before). It is a decent room where even a proper shelf unit or cupboard fits on the wall behind the door... A cupboard with 60 cm depth will probably be difficult?! <- I would question that, because even youth cupboards are that deep.
In kitchen planning, you can consider rotating the island 90 degrees so that you can look at it when entering and walk around it.
R.Hotzenplotz
2017-06-21 22:14:50
- #5
Now in large and calmly
You uploaded a PDF and a JPG - they are different. The pantry is here and there.
Oops. The PDF in my first post is wrong, as it is outdated. We swapped the kitchen and pantry because in the first file the huge kitchen gets very little light through the one small window. I think this option was not workable even though the connection to the living room was better.
R.Hotzenplotz
2017-06-21 22:34:18
- #6
I still owe Maria a reply. We have not yet considered an alternative to a wood-burning fireplace. It is also not 100% certain that one will be installed. My wife is rather against it, as she suspects we will use it little because we will shy away from the maintenance.