Floor plan draft for a 220m² single-family house

  • Erstellt am 2017-06-20 22:41:15

R.Hotzenplotz

2017-07-21 12:09:12
  • #1


Where else should one iron? Run to the parents' bathroom with the laundry? nope
 

Climbee

2017-07-21 13:38:40
  • #2
There are so many points where the design is simply unpolished, sorry. I keep stumbling over one thing and another...
Ironing in the utility room upstairs: first of all, there definitely should be a (at least small) sink installed. The dryer will be a condenser dryer, and having to carry the full water tank to the children's bathroom every time is unnecessary (if you plan ahead). Also, there are always some items that you wash by hand once in a while. It would be sensible if that could also be done in the utility room.
So, if I fulfill that, then maybe a small shelf/small cabinet/kitchen base cabinets installation (where should the detergents go???), some space for laundry baskets/collectors (the purpose of the utility room is to have the laundry in all its stages there and not spread everywhere), then the objection regarding the ironing board is valid (which, by the way, also needs a place when folded up, just like the iron, sleeve ironing board, drying rack, etc.). With the two doors, there is hardly any space just for the absolute essentials, and then the utility room doesn't really make sense.

I really advise you to sit down and run through all everyday situations. Does everything work the way you imagine it? Obviously, the all-in-one solution is rarely achievable, compromises are always necessary, but basically, all rooms should function.

For me, the utility room here does not.

The entire upper floor seems "strange" to me. I will NEVER understand why you need access to the balcony from the dressing room. Also, bedroom balconies are generally never used. The balcony here only really makes sense for the utility room, where you can hang laundry to dry (if you have found a place for the necessary drying rack in the utility room...). But well, if you really want it...
 

R.Hotzenplotz

2017-07-21 14:25:16
  • #3


I feel the same way, that I keep running into things that don’t work (after adjustments).

On the other hand, I wouldn’t say the whole draft is immature. Before the structural issues came up, there were several users here who liked the plan and where perhaps only questions of taste might have been debated here and there.

The problems just arose now because of the structural issues.



Here we are fully in agreement – even though I didn’t consider all aspects like the condensate water. It doesn’t work! And it can’t stay that way. It cannot be made smaller, not at all!

Valuable points, which I will note down for the next discussion.



The other things seem plausible to us. We have already been working on this for months and have also weeded out many seemingly nonsensical proposals/aspects.



I also addressed the situation. In the beginning, there was talk of a small balcony to put out the laundry. It grew bigger and bigger and at the last un-agreed change, the balcony had become a whole roof terrace.

You are right. Nobody needs the passage from the dressing room to the balcony. I also mentioned that once, but later when I was at the architect’s, they said the uniform look would be impaired by different windows/doors. But something definitely has to happen up there if you look at the latest status.

What a mess, really. We thought we were almost finished and now we don’t even know for sure if the draft can still serve as a basis at all. On the other hand, I wouldn’t know what approach to take to start a completely new draft. We don’t feel like anyone starting completely from scratch with the room program freely and creatively. Something purposeful has to happen now.

At least we can get the costs under control by renouncing the hobby room in the basement, making the rooms smaller there and building only a partial basement. After all, you don’t live in the basement but upstairs. And that’s where at least compromises should be made.

Still, to say again, other contacts where we were also signaled that the ideas and budget definitely require compromises in the end. That’s why I don’t want to speak badly of the contract partner. I would have only wished from his architect that the structural and pricing problems were addressed beforehand and that I wouldn’t spend three weeks on only the last details of a draft which basically can’t hold up at all. The time loss is what is frustrating.
 

11ant

2017-07-21 14:34:21
  • #4
In my eyes, that does not justify getting a Smurf as an architect – this is simply forbidden here by the overall price of the hut. Looking at it differently, you are paying an architect here – with the "argument" that if you realize the suboptimal house anyway, at least his planning costs nothing. Secondly, I couldn’t sugarcoat it so much that it wouldn’t leave a bad taste. And first of all, I don’t understand how you can simply throw away a building that is most likely valuable in its substance, and then on the other hand be willing to waste the thus acquired "building plot" on a misplanning. Young old buildings can hardly be worse than second-rate new ones.

It seems to me that the problem here is that you went to a construction company that apparently prefers new builds over renovations. This has threefold charm for them: more contract volume (at least if they don’t do the demolition themselves); easier detail connections than with remodeling and additions; and a price-conscious youngster fresh from university "can" do that too. "All inclusive" must also pay off in procurement. An experienced independent architect would have thought from the client's perspective, and you would have seen that in the result. Avoidable beams hit the budget harder than the questionable 20 extra square meters.

A good architect is not recognized by the "cool" plan simulation

Balconies are needed to proclaim republics. Otherwise, they are substitutes for terraces – and what you have there doesn’t need to be replaced.
 

Climbee

2017-07-21 14:39:06
  • #5
Is there also a current draft for the ground floor?

And did I understand that correctly: towards the street (where the entrance is) is south, right? I always miss the north arrow on the plans.

Please send me the latest version of both floors, I have an idea in the back of my mind...
 

Climbee

2017-07-21 14:43:44
  • #6
11ant, well, the existing building stock, if I remember correctly, has a crawl space... I wouldn't be keen on that either... so I would probably also demolish and rebuild exactly according to my ideas, the latest energy requirements, and generally at the latest technical standard, instead of converting an existing property that I might not really like.

Only if I put that much money into it, then I would keep the construction company on their toes if they only offer me such a low-budget architect.

Hotzenplotz, maybe you can make a deal with the company: hey, they’re getting a good million from you, so they should be willing to negotiate. So ask if something can be changed regarding the architect here, you wouldn’t really be satisfied with what this architect is delivering here.

YOU have the money, YOU call the shots!!!
 

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