Draft single-family house (EFH), 2 full stories, gabled roof, no basement, double garage

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ypg

2025-03-28 20:22:03
  • #1

Shower facing inward, toilet facing outward. That is optimum.
But otherwise it doesn't matter. There's a toilet seat lid anyway. And if someone is too lazy, they can be punished. Just kidding: there is a door.

...because they are not buildable.

Not from the GU anyway. They have their standard houses and offer common modifications.

Which prejudice regarding basement?

That should stop in a new building. It's not good for anything. Where should the moisture go? The ventilation system supplies fresh air in the living areas, exhaust air in the wet rooms. You should adjust to that.

What means: it’s annoying to have it shifted to the low ridge and running through private rooms.

It doesn't have to be that both can't go upstairs anymore. Sorry, but you are not Siamese twins. If one cannot go anymore due to illness, then they stay downstairs. The partner doesn't have to get sick right away and can continue to use the rooms upstairs. Grandchildren and visitors anyway.
What would bother me if I had to stay downstairs due to age is the very small bathroom without any freedom of movement. With osteoporosis, elbows are smashed right after combing hair or changing diapers. Drying off and taking off a fully soiled diaper should then be done in front of the shower bathroom? So, that needs to be thought through. In principle, however, it is a nice INNER entrance area, and I would also like the design. So, let’s say: there are hardly any things that limit you or force you to do pirouettes in order to be able to live in the house.
The ventilation of the toilet on the ground floor through the children’s room is also not ideal.
HOWEVER: I join the criticism of the access situation, it’s just tight and not nice with the garage - but that can be changed.
What I personally don't like at all is this totally sober and boring exterior facade, that scares me. But the architect should be able to handle that too.

I especially like the entrance, that is, hallway situation on the ground floor. What I want to mention: we also have the office at this spot, right at the front entrance, and I wouldn't do it that way again if I had options. So I would swap office and technical room. The utility connections are also built over, which wouldn’t be allowed in our state (Lower Saxony).
 

schrauberlouis

2025-03-28 20:37:53
  • #2


Thank you for your detailed feedback! I am very pleased that such a discussion is arising here and I try my best to share my thoughts.

- House entrance and free house planning: I would also prefer a 200 sqm larger plot where it would be easier to combine things. But the 17m wide building window leaves little variation in my opinion. The only alternative would be a complete redesign with access from the south?

- Garage: 5.6m is indeed too little, but difficult with the above-mentioned 17m building window. The second car will prospectively be a small car like a VW up or similar and I would hope that structurally, for example building in wood construction, the left wall disappears and the load can be transferred to the outer house wall (I am not a specialist, I come from mechanical engineering). But this is unverified wishful thinking and a professional can gladly correct me here.

- Playing: Good point, obviously it is more of a current topic and changes quickly in another direction. We are currently too focused in this direction.

- Distribution in old age is initially disregarded

- We view the trend "children’s bathroom" rather skeptically, after all everything must be maintained and downstairs there would be another shower

- Sliding doors and sound: I agree with you. The thought was that a double-winged normal door would constantly be in the way

- Scale, furniture, doors: I also drew a lot on paper and then switched to the app for speed and flexible changes. The cupboards are all 0.5m deep, the dining table is 2mx1m, doors downstairs 0.9m and upstairs 0.8m. Passage to the shower is 80cm, although I have not focused on such details yet due to approximate assumptions about wall thicknesses. I hoped the dimensioning would be sufficient for you (if you zoom in you can see the more exact measurements on the outer wall)

- The front door is rotated to immediately put down jackets and shoes on the left

- The stairs became straight because a landing staircase in the north would have taken away space for technology & pantry

- Bathroom planning: I was missing ideas here and therefore just drew in the T-solution. I am open to all suggestions. I deliberately planned the shower rather towards the window because of the light based on instinct.
 

schrauberlouis

2025-03-28 20:42:15
  • #3


Good idea. But that would reduce child 2's room by two rooms and you would have to sacrifice child 3's middle room to balance the children's rooms again, right? Of course, you would then have the space in the attic, but this would result in an expensive conversion.
 

schrauberlouis

2025-03-28 21:10:32
  • #4


Does it mean window facing east to put a mirrored cabinet on the south wall?



I tried to keep the basics in mind and hope this would be it.



Yes, unfortunately it was a time-consuming learning effect, although at the beginning everything felt very individual.



I’ll put it this way: In our area, the opinion still often prevails that a house without a basement is basically not a house. But by now we have moved past that. Although I was also used to it and took a long time to understand that it simply makes more sense.



You are completely right, and thank you very much for this realistic portrayal; it opens one’s eyes and I think we were too naive in our current considerations. We rather thought that if one is still mobile but the children are already out of the house. But I would actually try to exclude the topic of age separation from now on.



Thank you very much. Then I must be a DIY exception.



The access situation is really a sticking point, but I can’t think of an alternative (unless I would throw overboard the wish for the long double garage. Or do you have another solution idea? The exterior facade is indeed very conservative and I was glad to get it symmetrical or even represent it that way in the app, but we hope to get more from the professional side then.



Okay, that is very helpful. We had it turned around at first as well, which would make drainage etc. for the bathroom upstairs easier, but then we thought that the utility room can also be used as storage/pantry and that one goes there much more often. The short way from the kitchen right through the door next door appealed to us a lot. And on the other hand, we also want to store seasonal clothing in the office.

I would be very interested in your reasons.

Utility line: I have already seen several overbuilt lines here in Bavaria, so I thought that wouldn’t be a problem. I would have to ask on Monday unless someone here can answer.
 

ypg

2025-03-28 23:20:14
  • #5

I actually don’t read that Araknis is proposing you a larger design.

No.

Then the design is not feasible. You cannot justify a too narrow garage with extra narrow cars. If standard does not fit, then another solution is needed.

Ugh, that obviously doesn’t work either. At 50cm no hanger fits in, at least not with a wool sweater or even a down jacket. You should go for 60cm depth as a standard.

T as in death. The death of the social and cultural bath. I am more serious than ever.

Because that means more peep show at the shower in front of the window and you gladly switch on artificial light when you go to the toilet. Yes, electricity costs almost nothing, it all comes from the roof with photovoltaics, so you can switch the bulbs 30 times a day, currently costing only about 15€, and it really sets the mood during the toilet visit. The fact is that you are more occupied when showering and tolerate artificial light better than during the toilet visit, where some tend to take a minute or two and consciously or unconsciously perceive the environment more out of boredom.

..means that the shower is well placed on the left side of the plan and the toilet on the right side. Where you put the window is a separate issue.

Yes, there are still those who think archaically. Main thing is storage space. They forget that nowadays you often don’t even know why you should store something from the cheap furniture because it won’t be wanted in 5 years anyway.

It is always like this, in this post 3 times: one doesn’t think a thought through. Why should you make do with a 4sqm bathroom and ground floor when the kids have left the house? What does one have to do with the other? Then you are finally in the situation to use living space for yourselves that was previously intended for your children. That is the flow of time. There are very few builders here who admit hobbies. Maybe they have none because they have children, maybe they get criticized by a few over-parents here because they see themselves as a person, but at the latest when the kids have left the house, you can think about yourself. Why should you settle for a ground floor then?

Those who can’t do it make it symmetrical. But that doesn’t make it better.


Whoever has a functional kitchen doesn’t need a pantry. But the personal daily routine counts. Seasonal clothes is of course an argument, but could also be stored in the freezer room.

It feels wrong to us. I would rather have had access to the office from the living area. At least centrally. Unfortunately not realized because of partition wall, reason etc. But that is probably rather personal.
 

11ant

2025-03-29 01:10:41
  • #6
You have now presented your draft here and in doing so reaped the harvest, receiving a bit of appreciative shoulder-patting and not the feared devastating criticism. Be glad about that, but leave it at that. Do not delude yourself as an architect’s apprentice so close to the goal that from a professional you would basically need only a bit of finishing – especially since facade symmetry would not be a value in itself anyway. Learn from the discussion – but not with the aim of now deriving a “semifinal” design yourself (as most lay designers call it). Go – no matter how poorly your own attempt has succeeded – in any case without pictorially formulated requirements to the architect.

Do not infer from past disappointments about future encounters with (independent, not connected to general contractors!) architects. Proceed according to my “Housebuilding schedule, also for you: the phase model of the HOAI!”, i.e.:
1. complete “Module A” with an independent architect;
2. make the key decisions during the resting phase of the dough;
3. have the architect, based on the result of the key decisions, either mature the preliminary draft worked out with him before the dough rest phase into the (stone/wooden) design or adapt one of the alternatively offered building proposals for you – see
 

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