Underfloor heating air-water heat pump. House too warm when the sun shines

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Ötzi Ötztaler

2020-10-09 17:58:15
  • #1

Your suggestion would work, but it would almost always lead to the heating curve being raised late in the day until shutdown, since the current return temperature will usually be above the hysteresis band around the now lowered setpoint. And then there will be a heating pause lasting several hours in the late afternoon until the return temperature has dropped by twice the hysteresis value. Only then will it turn back on at full power in the middle of the cold night. I don’t know how much more efficient that would actually be, especially since at night I use slightly cheaper off-peak electricity and during the day, due to lack of photovoltaics, pay the full electricity price. With scripts, one could react a bit more flexibly.

Admittedly, the playful spirit is more the motivation here than the presumed 3 euros per heating month to be saved, which would probably be achievable only after a lot of optimization effort...
 

Bookstar

2020-10-18 11:20:54
  • #2
So a brief status update:

From the beginning of October until now: 140 kWh consumption
Heat meter shows 578 kWh
that results in a COP of 4.1

What can I say, we have 22.5 degrees everywhere, the system is running without any issues and is now extremely efficient. I am really very satisfied and also glad that the system is finally running satisfactorily.

I am now curious to see how much the COP will drop when we have temperatures permanently below 0 degrees.
 

Zaba12

2020-10-18 11:41:05
  • #3
Still haven't turned on the underfloor heating. The fireplace runs 16-18 hours when there is no sun. When the sun shines, the house heats up on its own through the window areas. I'm curious how much longer we'll continue like this. On the ground floor, it's currently 23.7 degrees, in the basement 20 degrees, and upstairs 20.5 degrees.
 

Bookstar

2020-10-18 11:56:10
  • #4
Does the fireplace heat the whole house? We can only heat the living area on the ground floor with it; unfortunately, nothing reaches the upper floor. Therefore, the underfloor heating has to be running, otherwise you would really be freezing upstairs. We also only heat with wood every few days.

We have rather small windows, I think that makes a big difference too. I see it with the neighbors, they still keep the blinds down during the day, probably because otherwise it would even get too warm...
 

Zaba12

2020-10-18 12:14:10
  • #5

At least the fireplace is currently the only heat source in the house. Due to the open staircase to the basement and upper floors, I suppose it does have some effect, also through the chimney that runs through the upper floor.

What strikes me, however, is that an airtight (room air-independent) fireplace is incomparably less efficient than a room air-dependent fireplace. I once had a seminar in a farmhouse where there was an old wood stove in the middle; after one hour it was unbearable there. At home, the temperature upstairs with the fireplace on the ground floor never goes above 24 degrees Celsius.

We really have a lot of window area on the ground floor. The difference between sunny and cloudy is truly enormous.

The hardwood is not free either, but if I can do without the air-water heat pump for a total of two months in autumn, winter, and spring because of it, then it was worth it.

I personally find the 20 degrees Celsius in the bedrooms unusual, but they say it’s the optimal sleeping temperature for you, for whatever reason.
 

Joedreck

2020-10-18 15:44:18
  • #6
I simply doubt whether you can really save with the wood. That really depends heavily on the respective prices and the efficiency.

COP including hot water? And do you now actually find the heat pump great?
 

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