Very first floor plan draft of the ground floor

  • Erstellt am 2017-05-24 16:24:58

11ant

2017-05-31 19:12:42
  • #1
You’ve misunderstood two things thoroughly: First, the advice on the procedure: the layperson—especially in the effort to imitate the architect as best as possible—first ties themselves in knots before even starting to dance. Less is more. Second, what an architect’s fee is for. Not for drawing little plans. That’s the tiniest little fraction of what they do—even though on the other hand it’s almost 100% of what the layperson believes the architect does. By the way, you always pay the architect—better transparently than “included” in the house price. A builder "without an architect" will build your house almost exactly as it is drawn now. They just put the minimum required windows in the exterior walls and also give the second child a door (because there is no building permit for walling up children—otherwise, they wouldn’t have a problem with it), but otherwise exactly with an 83 cm narrow pantry. Every self-drawn floor plan will be built, only permit obstacles will be changed. Doors that collide with each other, rooms you can’t furnish: every customer dream is realized.
 

MIA_SAN_MIA__

2017-05-31 19:50:35
  • #2
Regarding the first point, I completely agree with you, as I have seen myself in the past few weeks.

On point two: I understand that drawing up and submitting the plan according to our wishes can certainly cost a few euros. The question is, how do you find a reasonable architect? He doesn't need to do construction supervision, no tendering,... I have my trades, I just need a plan that can be implemented... With others, I have experienced that architects submit plans that cannot be approved,...
 

11ant

2017-05-31 20:04:12
  • #3

Again: drawing the little floor plan - even if most of the emotional weight of the builders lies on it - is only the tip of the iceberg.


Prick up your ears, ask around for happy builders nearby. Walk around construction areas, talk to builders by the garden fence. If necessary, ring the doorbell at beautiful houses. Ask architects for references.


You don’t do tendering because you wouldn’t know enough craftsmen. And I can only advise all naive builders to google "Regiestunden."


But then corrections must be made until it works.
 

MIA_SAN_MIA__

2017-06-01 07:19:12
  • #4
phrased differently... do I need an architect for [Leistungsphasen 1-5]?
 

11ant

2017-06-01 13:43:35
  • #5
In my opinion, rather for service phases 4 to 8.

If you trust the local discussants enough to optimize your floor plan well, basically any draftsman can refine it into a "design" for you. Where you then need an architect – and I strongly advise one paid by yourself (i.e., not by the contractor) – is from the approval planning stage onwards. And in my opinion, also for awarding contracts and construction management: clients underestimate the cunning of the involved parties by a multiple of the architect's fee. As said, keyword: hourly rates and so on. This overwhelms even the boldest ambitious layman. You can’t imagine the mess made when a client without architect protection is involved. They easily recoup what was missed in profit on other construction sites. What someone who cannot assess this effortlessly usually won’t even notice (or just considers it unavoidable).

Without architects as tenderers / awarders / construction managers, you quickly add another ten percentage points of budget overruns. Even if you can do it – the house won’t be worth more to the bank as collateral – I wouldn’t want to save on that. For a single-family home, this is enough lifetime ice cream for the kids, or three times in a row for the extra cost of a bigger caravan*.

P.S. *) For those who think this is an exaggeration, the industry lives on it.
 

MIA_SAN_MIA__

2017-06-01 13:57:07
  • #6
But that is the big advantage when you live in a village. I have known my plumbing company, roofing company, construction company for the shell construction,.. for years and decades. I trust them enough that I don’t worry too much. The only electrician I would have to get from "extern"... However, I can understand the argument with completely unknown companies.
 

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