Floor plan single-family house, approx. 200 sqm without basement - assessment

Hello,

tastes are just very different. Your floor plan wouldn’t be quite right for me either for various reasons, but you will certainly be very satisfied with it.

I have also planned doors with 1 m, as already mentioned. This naturally makes the plan look tighter than with an 80 cm door. That is about 20 cm more "depth" for wall space in some places.
Just wanted to say that again.

Which passages are disturbing?
In the draft from BU, it would only be the passage to the kitchen. That is 1 m, from there comes the kitchen island. That is also the case with my parents, you have to go 1 m through a narrower corridor until the room opens up. I don’t find that bad in real life.
The guest room is also 2.5 m wide in the narrow area. There are guest rooms that are generally not wider or then 2.5 x 3.5. That is not noticeable. For me it is 2.5 m for 1.5 m, after that the width expands to 3 m. A desk can be placed exactly at the resulting edge.

And about my other draft:
1) I would like an assessment of how the stairs look visually. I am thinking of the following picture. You can see on the floor plan that it somehow looks cramped. But in the real picture I don’t think it looks tiny...
Is everything too tight with the hallway then?




There is the same "problem" with the passage to the kitchen and guest room, ticked off.
And the "narrow passage" for the wardrobe, from where it goes to the utility room and guest bathroom, we explicitly want that and it is something positive for us.
We walked through some show homes, where there are always narrow corridors with wardrobes first and then/from there the guest toilet. We like that very much.
And this variant of mine is just a suitable adaptation integrated into our floor plan.

Why no architect? 1. Costs, 2. However, we once "commissioned" another architect for that matter. We gave her our floor plan, she gave criticism and made a counterproposal. But the end result was that the living/dining/kitchen area was arranged the same and the rest just a little different. The idea with the stairwell inside the house and the entrance in the west also comes from this architect.
The ancillary rooms were then smaller, the passage through the utility room into the house was no longer there. But that is exactly what we want, so we basically forced her back in the direction we want.

In other words: I could ask three more architects, in the end everything would be altered until the room layout is very similar to the current one. Also due to the garage and plot orientation.

So if you have ideas to convince me otherwise, bring them on. But just saying "everything is bad" unfortunately doesn’t help me.

I could now (since the front door no longer has to be next to the garage in the north) of course make the house more elongated, meaning not 12x12 but 10x14 or so.
But then the whole thing would be 10 m garage + 14 m house = 24 m long, plus the terrace, then I would have too little garden in the south for my taste.
And the requirement "living dining kitchen in the south" would no longer be met either. Although that would no longer be priority 1.

An architect might design many things more efficiently, which might then again be too big a compromise for us.

I would also like to design it a bit smaller, but I find that hard too. The rooms must not become even more narrow. The length of the living room must not be less.

I would actually be really interested to know what price this will end up at in the end. I have my doubts about it....

So if you have any ideas to change my mind, bring them on. But just "everything sucks" unfortunately doesn't help me.

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You have already received enough examples and advice. You are resistant to advice because you like the weird passages so much. That’s great, then just build it that way. But then don’t be surprised that you build 20 sqm too much, because those are your planning mistakes – and we’re not talking about taste here.

You did not understand what I mean. And I also reject the idea that I simply wrote "everything is stupid."

You have 4 meters both in the buyer's plan and in your floor plan before you are really in the kitchen workspace from the kitchen door.
As an example, just your last floor plan:


And this corridor of 4 m and about 140 cm width is actually useless for the kitchen itself. That is about 5.5 sqm.

And one thing is clear, as long as you keep your list of requirements as it is, plans will of course always be very similar. And of course it is YOUR list of requirements, but based on living experience I consider it not to be practical in the long term. A wardrobe in the storage room next to the garage always means long distances when you come home.

Hello,

that wasn’t what I meant, kbt09.

Yes, I first have to count on the 4m, but the tunnel isn’t 4m, it’s only 1.5m. From there the kitchen island begins, over which you can look, so it doesn’t appear as a narrow corridor.
And with 1.4m width, if you just imagine that some people only have a hallway that wide, you could still put a 30cm deep display cabinet there if necessary.

And regarding the kitchen island: just imagine it gone for now, I want to take it out of the discussion. If it just wasn’t there, I certainly wouldn’t have any problems with the size of the kitchen. And the passageway would be smaller too.
An alternative to the "tunnel corridor" would simply be to widen the hallway, but that also isn’t very sensible, then the hallway just gets even bigger.

In another design of mine (in blue) I had the wardrobe right at the front door, again with a narrow passage because we like that. The disadvantage would be the later separation.
These are the examples I mean, where you get to the WC through a tube as an example:









I’m now at the draft from the BU for the house (227 sqm living space) at 290,000€ (turnkey including painting and flooring). Garage next to it 57,000 and additional party room 31,000.
All in all, as everyone feared, a lot of money, although with big companies like Brochvieh it’s certainly more expensive…

How should I put it, our plan was not to easily end up with over 200sqm. We knew it would take more than 180 for our ideas.
The ground floor just grew until we liked it, the upper floor then comes on top and has to fit the size.

Now I want to ask, how can I skillfully get it down to 200sqm? That would save me about 35,000€ and still be sufficiently large.

Only: in my “stuck” situation these 12x12m are hard to reduce. In my blue designs (front door west) I could shorten the east-west length. Fewer corridor rooms then, but also the total length for living/dining and kitchen slowly becomes very tight.

If I rearrange/change rooms on the ground floor, I fear I won’t be able to get a window in every room…

Why no architect? 1. Costs, 2. but we once “commissioned” another architect anyway. We gave her our floor plan...

Maybe actually commission a freelance architect properly, instead of casually asking employees of the builder and never making any real progress?

In other words: I can still ask 3 architects, in the end everything will be changed so long again until the room layout is very similar to the current one. Also due to the garage and the plot orientation.

There are clients who prefer "quirky" solutions over simple, functional ones. That is not a problem if the budget allows. Still, most architects would rather mutually end the collaboration at some point than be associated with such a building.

An architect might design many things more efficiently, which might then be too big a compromise for us again.

But you will unfortunately never find out. So better a bad solution than a possibly too big compromise in your thoughts? Doesn’t make much sense.

I’m now at the draft stage from the builder for the house (227 sqm living space) at €290,000 (turnkey including painter and flooring work)...

Now I want to ask, how can I cleverly reduce it to 200 sqm? That would save me about €35,000 and still be sufficiently large.

It’s quite simple.
First, you have to change your attitude, become open to criticism, and then commission someone who works for you and has learned design. Architects can do that. It’s not cheap, but it doesn’t hurt. And write down what is important to you, leave your drawing at home!