Comments on floor plan design welcome

At the same time, you tell me: I have no sense for room sizes

You said that yourself after being surprised about 20sqm (Alessandro's living room)

My conclusion: I plan at least 15sqm as a utility room.

But that is a generalization. A. has over 10, I have, for example, only 8.5... but I have a separate room upstairs and a cloakroom under the stairs. In a house design, you don’t rigidly go by “I’ll make 15sqm now”... so a 4x4 meter room only has 16 meters of storage surface, a 2 x 8 room already has 20 meters of storage surface. And if I plan 2 rooms of 2 x 4 sqm each, then I have 24 meters of storage surface along the wall. A built-in closet of 2 meters can replace 4sqm of storage surface in the utility room. End of story

Now Alessandro and you come with smaller utility rooms in the plan.

No, I did not come with a plan... I CAME WITH A CONCEPT SKETCH - SKETCH! Variable! Nothing is measured there!

Especially the space requirements in the utility room are very opaque to laymen!

The OP is no layman in living, already owns a house and is a planning layman.

And a plan since mid-May is not bad either. A proper house has to be planned properly. That can often take 1.5 years.

Yes, by an architect. If he does it himself or through a forum, he will never finish.

asked for "honest and preferably also ruthless" comments (quote)

From his side, starting from page 1 of the thread, there are also harsh, generalizing statements against architects, companies, etc. (are backward, clueless, 08/15, the same for 20 years...) therefore can also withstand the self-chosen strength of the wind.

I need a study that can be converted into a bedroom on the ground floor if necessary

08/15 for me is: front door in, stairs on the left, guest WC behind it, pantry and kitchen on the right, then large living-dining area. Upstairs 2 children’s rooms, parents’ dressing room and bathroom.

… and what would be innovative or "clever" about your plan then?

For example, that you only get to the bedroom through the bathroom and dressing room. That corresponds to 95% of all our walking routes.

Huh?.....Your apparently previous walking route in this regard is like that because you built it that way but not because the route itself is like that. The action follows the form here and not the other way around.

Life happens downstairs, TV can be watched peacefully upstairs.

The kids are just "sleeping guests". They are about to move out, possibly already "gone"

.......that’s how it sounded at the beginning

The original idea was also to have everything on one level for us and only “occasional rooms” upstairs

......

That’s exactly where my problem lies .... I can’t find a suitable floor plan for a bungalow that I can extend so that a small thing also emerges upstairs

....there are hundreds and more online alone, even without architects

Kids soon out of the house. Are usually out and about, both need a sleeping place

......so still a house for two with occasional visit

enough storage space (8 meter wardrobe plus whatever else comes up, 2 (small) youth rooms

....

When I look at the floor plan of the recommended Weberhaus mylife 400, then
- I see that it is at least just as convoluted
- I see a huge room in which kitchen, sofa, dining table are placed seemingly at random. Do I see it right that the TV is in the middle of the room and people at the dining table get to look at its back?
- Is the eye-TV distance about 3 meters. That would be too little for decent TV enjoyment for me. Not to mention that in this huge room there will hardly be any acoustics (topic 5.1 sound)
- there is neither an office nor a guest sleeping place. So an extension upstairs has to be done. But there’s no space for a staircase either
- stove and sink are in the darkest area of the whole house.
- the installation room with heating, electricity meter, washing machine/dryer, connections, in the worst case ventilation system is jam-packed.
- The guest WC is immediately adjacent to the living room. I know that from friends and I’m always happy about the noise development in the living room when guests use the toilet
- I find the hallway especially at the entrance area quite small. Where do jackets hang, shoes stand, hats and scarves lie
- Where do everyday things happen: Where are vacuum cleaners, ironing boards, drying racks? Is laundry sorted? Every load of laundry is carried twice across the house (plus the way to where the laundry dries, wherever that may be)
These are the first quick questions about the floor plan. It’s similar with the Rensch-Haus: spontaneously 1000 questions.
I also don’t understand it - what is different with us that we don’t like the standards and why is what we plan so "torn apart"?

...here, exceptionally, Weberhaus and Rensch-Haus are completely torn apart (previously all other backward wooden house builders) and the own design declared the exemplary solution. Always these 08/15 architects......

a) the children still live with us, but not for much longer (probably, or hopefully)
b) we now only have a partial upper floor. There is no upper floor in the living rooms downstairs and it is open all the way up to the ridge
c) we want to keep the option to create an independent apartment upstairs.

....here your original requirement for the house for 2 people with visitors slowly shifts. In the following sentence it already turns into a two-family house or option for a separate unit upstairs for a whole family. Times change so fast.....

At least one of the children wants to stay in the region. Possibly an independent apartment will be created upstairs fairly quickly in which she can live with her family.

Oh dear......what now? Bungalow, two stories, so starting today the whole family will live upstairs in their own apartment (and I thought or read that they are practically already gone.....)

Really constructive ones here are few. Very few. That is a pity.

Bang.....

The planner from Stommel Haus supports our project and thinks it’s good.

.....while all architects and planners have no clue and you write that exactly THAT PLAN at Stommel Haus was already lousy 20 years ago and still is currently.....huh...?? what now? Ergo: The Stommel Haus architect (as almost all architects have "no clue, 08/15, always the same without flair") thinks your current project is good and that makes you happy??.......hmm.....but he has no clue and the planning has always been crap at Stommel Haus...???? (quote).....ouch.

I know how flawed the Stommel Haus planning can be

.....and yet I’m building exactly with these and no others..., "because they fit us well" (quote). I would consider why an architect, as an important and responsible part of my house project, fits me when I accuse him of lacking competence.

Only the floor plans I have seen, I don’t find good either, because they don’t meet our expectations in the slightest (which are certainly diverse, but basically clear. If you look at the alleged contradictions and think about it for a minute, they dissolve.

....which means everything seen and recommended is completely off, which we users would notice if we could finally think for a minute......ah yes

sorry - our floor plan is already pretty good.

...well then, the digger can come

to the blanket statements here.

.... could also say this a bit nicer, unlike some others; hence the fire!

that Stommel Haus is far ahead of other manufacturers in timber house construction

....which is of course complete nonsense, not least because calls himself a layman and thus could not even remotely judge that. Yes, then one has to use the word "crap" like when such things are posted repeatedly. I have to check whether Stommel Haus with their revolutionary construction method already completely conquered the market without anyone noticing.

In general, I always find that a lot of value is placed on living spaces

....true, I thought that’s how it’s done! Maybe that’s the peculiarity of Stommel Haus, to primarily focus on storage rooms?

I read through all of this and now believe that my confusion regarding your project is probably not only due to the unfortunately advancing aging process of myself, but partly also due to the constantly changing requirement profile for your house. Nevertheless, whether you believe it or not, I really wish you get a great house that you/you all like and that you don’t unnecessarily regret afterwards!!!

: Some just need a bit more time to know what is sensible, practical, and cost-efficient.
Of course, everyone wants to build the jack of all trades, but for that, things like "how long will children still live at home" need to be certain for the future.
Since it was stated from the beginning that guest rooms for children and grandchildren should definitely be planned, the use of the upper floor is actually clear to me.

Absolutely!
I feel the same way and time is absolutely necessary, along with a lot of ups and downs.
But the usage here is not clear, it changed from occasional use to a separate apartment in the upper floor lately, and so on.
Yes. It MUST be certain who will live in the house. As soon as knows that for sure, it will probably also be easier.

The OP is not a novice in living, already owns a house and is a planning novice.

But that has nothing to do with the question. I can also install the space for heating, distribution box, washing machine, dryer, etc. in 40 sqm! The question was simply what a good or minimum size should be. I know many who have little feeling for this, even though they already live in a house or know it from their parents.

The question was merely what a good or minimum measure should be. I know many who have little sense for that, even though they already live in a house or know it from their parents.

This question is certainly justified, but it can only be answered meaningfully once it is clear what type of house it will be for . Initially a house for a single married couple with occasional overnight visits from the children and now suddenly practically a two-family house or a house with its own, separate rental apartment on the upper floor, which until now was supposed to be used for TV corner, guest room, etc. Then it is a completely different house, namely living again on one floor. An HTR for such a building should then sensibly be accessible from the outside or separately for each unit or maybe even have a completely separate entrance per apartment, since you don’t know how things will develop and the two apartments should be separate. As long as the planned use of the house is constantly changing, it makes no sense to think about the HTR, because then it should probably be a completely different house or what am I not understanding? Planning private rooms on the upper floor where they are occupied by a closed apartment??? I would really like to understand how that can work!

certainly I have reacted too much to posts here and thereby caused more confusion than clarity in explanations. So: our kids are 19 and 17 years old and are already almost only occasional overnight guests at home. The topic of large children's rooms for playing is off the table; having their own bathroom is more important to them. Since both will finish school in 2021, it is likely that at least 1 of the 2 will leave the area. But: if one of the children comes home, there is always a place to sleep. So we are building with 2 small children's rooms plus a bathroom on their floor (upper floor).

Currently, I also need an office, for about 10-12 years. That will also be on the upper floor.

Also on the upper floor, a "hobby room" to do something in peace when it is "loud" downstairs because the lady or gentleman of the house has visitors of their own (which does indeed happen more often).

More or less by chance, the upper floor consisting of 2 children's rooms, a bathroom and a hobby room *can* also become a separate apartment (for example if a child wants to live here again with a grandchild, or if we need a caregiver who can then live in the house). That has no impact on planning today.

We would like to plan so that today we already have everything necessary for our daily needs on one level.

And yes, I can take a lot of wind and I respond accordingly. No worries.