Comments on floor plan design welcome

thank you for the note about the corridor width.

that's exactly my problem .... I can't find a suitable floor plan for a bungalow that I can expand in such a way that something small also arises on the upper floor. And all that still affordable.....

Ufff, I can't imagine that for myself, so my ideas end here. I know really great floor plans from the internet and from various house providers, partly private + guest, office separate, with a small granny flat, etc., which could probably be nicely adapted here by an architect and in most cases some extra living space can also be created on the upper floor by a smaller staircase, for example...... or a separate wing on the ground floor, because your current plan won't be a cheap model either. Somehow I fear, however, that you have something fixed and unchangeable in your fixed idea that no one has ever built or would ever plan before. YOU certainly won't find that anywhere. Maybe you post your list of priorities and building requirements here and basically start a planning competition, honestly. I think then you will receive some nice floor plans, from existing templates or self-designed. The prize in the form of a bottle of champagne or something else...... that would be interesting. But your priorities are very important.

Ufff, I can't imagine that for myself, so that's where my ideas end.
I know of some really great floor plans from the internet and from various house providers, sometimes private+guest, separate office, with a small granny flat, etc., which could probably be stylishly adapted here by an architect, and in most cases, some extra living space can also be created on the upper floor by a smaller staircase, for example... or a separate wing on the ground floor, since your current plan won't be a cheap model anyway.
Somehow I fear that you have something fixed and unchangeable in your mind, which no one has ever built before or would ever plan. You surely won't find THAT anywhere.
Maybe you post your list of priorities and building requirements here and basically start a planning competition, honestly meant.
I think you will then receive some chic floor plans, from existing templates or self-designed.
The reward in the form of a bottle of champagne or something else... would be interesting. But your priorities are very important.

Hi, that is a really good idea if you are serious about it. It won't fail because of the bottle of champagne—maybe also an Amazon voucher.

So, I will try to write down my (our) requirements, even if it doesn't seem that easy.

- The plot with dimensions, neighboring buildings, and building envelope is shown in the attachment. South is at the bottom, where the street is located (very quiet, dead end). Forest adjoins the north and east. Construction is still ongoing in the northwest.
- Family situation: Children will soon move out. They are usually out and both need a place to sleep.
- Rooms: living room, dining room, kitchen, shower bathroom without a tub but with a large shower, toilet, office, sufficient storage space (8 meters wardrobe plus whatever accumulates), 2 (small) youth rooms, bedroom, guest bed.
- Access from the kitchen to the terrace facing south
- Kitchen/dining separated from living, or at least the possibility that one cooks while the other watches TV, one has guests and the other watches TV.
- Our daily life revolves around the kitchen/dining area.
- At least prepared so that it can be lived in during old age. That still takes time (hopefully), and I am aware that you can't really plan for that, but I will try.
- I especially love stairs
- My wife loves an open space above the dining room
- For the size of the living area, I think we will end up between 170 and 200 sqm.
- Without attic (high knee wall, roof pitch 18°-22°, exposed roof truss up to the ridge)
- Double carport on the west side, next to that ugly (others may like it), utility box.
- Entrance door either under the carport or facing the street

I am really open to new ideas. I am truly a layman. And I am really grateful for suggestions. I get enough harsh criticism at home from the kids.

Regards, Andreas

P.S. I have certainly forgotten one or the other thing that is important to us. Just ask if necessary. And links to great floor plans are also very welcome.

Oh, now a bungalow would be nice, and the lady of the house loves loft spaces or open roof undersides. These are similar preferences to those of (where is he anyway?) - maybe the house company would fit as well?

Hi, that’s a really good idea, if you’re serious about it. It won’t fail because of a bottle of champagne – maybe also an Amazon voucher.

So, I’ll try to write down my (our) requirements. Even if it doesn’t seem that easy.

- The plot with dimensions and neighboring buildings and building envelope is shown in the attachment. South is at the bottom, there is also the street (absolutely quiet, dead end). North and east border on forest. In the northwest, construction is still ongoing.
- Family situation is: kids soon out of the house. They are usually out and about, both need a place to sleep.
- Rooms: living room, dining room, kitchen, shower bath without tub but with a large shower, toilet, office, sufficient storage space (8 meter wardrobe plus whatever else accumulates), 2 (small) youth rooms, bedroom, guest bed.
- Access from kitchen to the terrace facing south.
- Kitchen/dining separated from living, or the possibilities that one cooks while the other watches TV, that one has visitors while the other watches TV.
- Our everyday life takes place around the kitchen/dining area.
- At least prepared so that one can live there in old age. That will take (hopefully) a while, and I am aware that you can’t really plan for it, but I can try.
- I especially love stairs.
- My wife loves an open space above the dining room.
- In terms of living area size, I think we’ll end up between 170 and 200 sqm.
- Without attic (high knee wall, roof pitch 18°-22°, exposed roof truss up to the ridge).
- Double carport in the west, next to this ugly (others may find it great) transformer house.
- Front door either under the carport or facing the street.

I’m really open to new ideas. I really am a layman. And I’m really grateful for suggestions. I get enough harsh criticism from the kids at home.

Regards, Andreas

P.S. I have surely forgotten one thing or another that’s important to us. If necessary, just ask. And links to great floor plans are very welcome.

Maybe you need to start a completely new thread for that? Because that’s just a quick idea, no idea if it will be accepted. Maybe you can also significantly increase participation in such a floor plan competition if you offer 2-7% commission of the construction cost. I personally would find that a stupid idea, but as long as I don’t have to pay for it, I like it and it also seems promising to me – … maybe it will also work without it –

Family situation is: Children will soon be out of the house. They are usually on the go, both need a place to sleep

....but in my opinion, they don't need two separate rooms as rare guests. One with two beds would be fine.

(8 meter wardrobe plus whatever else comes up, 2 (small) youth rooms, bedroom, guest bed.

I'm cracking up. You really need a proper house width, because otherwise one third of this monster wardrobe would stick out of the house. Are you a fashion aficionado or just a collector? Especially the subclause "plus whatever else comes up" next to the monster piece exceeds my own horizon of imagination. E-I-G-H-T meters plus X!

or the options that one cooks, the other watches TV, that one has visitors and the other watches TV.

TV in the guest room and the problem is solved; the open living area can then be designed accordingly. You can still have a second TV connection in the living room, but that way it would be settled. This worst-case extreme hardly ever happens or only so rarely that I would never block rooms for it, but just want an alternative option.

at least prepared so that in old age it can be lived in there. That will take (hopefully) a while, and I am aware that you can't really plan that anyway, but I can try - I currently love stairs

For that, a spacious walk-in shower would be necessary, a tub wouldn't be absolutely needed. I feel the same about stairs, in that case they'd have to be stylish as well.

In the size of the living area, I think we will end up between 170 and 200 sqm.

I would find that too big, it works with 150-155 sqm. We have similar requirements but decided that the size won't exceed that, also for cost reasons, especially with regard to old age. Thinkable and sufficient for two would also be 110-120 sqm and a garden house for visits and such riffraff.

Double carport in the west, next to this ugly (others might find this great) power box

....or simply where it is functionally sensible (also the front door). A power box could certainly be disguised differently, I think.

I am really open to new ideas. I am really a layman. And I am really grateful for suggestions. I get plenty of harsh criticism at home from the children

Same here. For kids, I would say that they may eat everything they want but not interfere everywhere; otherwise off to the garden house or build their own! Although it might also be interesting what kind of criticism they name.

- Family situation is: children soon out of the house. They are usually on the road, both need a place to sleep
- Kitchen access to the terrace facing south
- Kitchen/dining separated from living, or the possibility that one cooks, the other watches TV, that one has guests and the other watches TV.
- Our everyday life takes place around the kitchen/dining area.
- I especially love stairs
- My wife loves an open space above the dining room

Bungalow, straight stairs, open space, children’s room for children who no longer live at home...

Take a look at floor plans from house providers, you’ll find 150sqm bungalows with 2 children’s rooms or 1 children’s room and 1 office. The 2 nights at Christmas when both children really visit together, one of them will just have to sleep on a mattress on the floor. If you want a second floor, also look at split-level floors, because you don’t really need a lot of space upstairs.
Bungalows:
[Rensch-Haus](https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/rensch-haus-erfahrungen-und-preise-fertighaushersteller.14472/) Liberty M for example has a room divider between living room and dining, kitchen is a bit off to the side.
Or the [Weberhaus](https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/weberhaus-erfahrungen-preise-beurteilung-leistungsumfang.28390/) mylife 400. Put up a wall between kitchen and living room so you can install a nice two-line kitchen and the living room is quiet, even if you don’t build the wall all the way up and leave a nice open passage to the dining table above.
I am not a fan of completely open kitchens, but my experience shows: as soon as you no longer see the cook (because the kitchen is around the corner or behind a short partition wall), it hardly bothers.
Or with 2 floors, then upstairs 2 rooms and a small shower bath - one of the two rooms for guests - I would make that one fairly small, 10sqm is enough for a bed and a shelf, the other will be a bigger room and becomes your home cinema / man cave and gets a pull-out couch and is thus your “backup guest room.” There you can watch TV when your wife starts a loud cooking orgy or invites her friends downstairs for a wine evening.