I don’t know what you communicated on the phone, but there was obviously a contract. You had your floor plans discussed here.
What you are doing now is shabby,
Now you are the bad one!
Hello Yvonne,
yes, you are right, which is why my wife and I called the architect earlier and spoke with him.
We expressed our opinion and the disappointment that he seemingly put his concept above our wishes and requirements and offered him again to "start from scratch." He expressed his disinterest in that and said he no longer wants to work with us. I don’t know if my scenario is so far-fetched.
It is undisputed – he has delivered a service – but whether it is worth 13,000 EUR is something I doubt.
If I were to approach the issue the same way as the architect, I would have to "split hairs" and break down every item.
I will think about an amount over the weekend and offer it to him in writing. How high that will be? No idea yet… I’m just burning through a budget that would be better invested elsewhere...
If the architect, as I am now just assuming, sent the offer by mail and you then negotiated and concluded by phone, a distance contract might apply here. If you were not informed about your right of withdrawal in this regard, you could still revoke the contract now and the architect would not be entitled to any fee.
We still do not have an offer, neither by mail nor in paper form.
A flat rate of 55,000 for service phases 1-8 means 13,200€ corresponds to about 23.5% of the total fee, which again roughly corresponds to service phases 1-3. I don’t know what exactly happened with you, but in my opinion you are still in the area of "preliminary planning" (service phase 2), fancy CAD drawings don’t change that.
Just try feeding the search engine with the terms "partial service table, Siemon" and compare. I see a maximum fee of around 5k here.
I looked at the table, there are indeed good pointers that can support an argument – thanks.
I also don’t quite understand why it escalated so quickly?
At the beginning of the thread you still wrote:
What caused such a radical change of mind? Because I don’t believe it will be easier/better with another architect.
Honestly, I think the positive opinion was also due to the “inexperienced” eye. Certainly, I have listened to the experienced eyes here, and the impression my wife and I got was that the architect is not really good. But it also became clear to us that he puts his concept above our wishes (rectangle vs. cube) and does not implement our wishes (island kitchen). One thing led to another and we made the decision accordingly. The phone call from earlier unfortunately didn’t bring much, so now we will come out of this with a loss. That annoys me a little, but I have to bear the consequences now.
Well, there have been enough users here who "forced" him and even encouraged him to cancel the contract, including our successful business consultant... How often was the architect called useless?
That’s true, nevertheless I must say, the arguments were simply valid...
The problem beside the sunk money in the end is also whether you can actually find something better in the current boom phase. Maybe you just have to “spur” the guy on a bit. With me, he wouldn’t have it easy and we would have long been sitting together at the drawing board or with the lawyer.
…and how do you want to spur him on if he has no interest? I think our status as “greenhorns” was also used a bit here… (at least I believe that)