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I would like to thank everyone again who has already contributed valuable input here. After the planning was (rightfully) dissected by you, I have now completed the floor plan questionnaire for you. I would be very, very grateful if you could possibly assist me with ideas/sketches.

Floor Plan Questionnaire Forum - Gregor

Development Plan/Restrictions

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Size of the plot: 1,062m2
[*]Slope: No slope, straight plot
[*]General development plan: Before commissioning the general contractor's architect, I have already conducted several expert discussions. Multiple analyses (including the use of Bayernatlas) have shown that ALL surrounding houses exceed the outdated development plans and have significantly larger footprint areas built. There are also plots where multiple building structures were erected (keyword separate granny flat). Therefore, the current strategy is to adjust the building envelope via an approval process (still to a lesser extent than some neighbors).






[*]Allowed footprint area: 155m2
[*]Allowed floors: 2 full floors
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[*]Note from the development plan: If within a building zone where a building with II is designated in the plan drawing, only one building with I + attic (D) is constructed, the maximum allowable footprint for the main building set in the plan drawing increases by 40% (=40%).


[*]Building envelope, building line and boundary: see image/attachment
[*]Edge development - see image/attachment
[*]Number of parking spaces: Desired is a double parker with driveway (possibly space for one more car)
[*]Number of floors: 2 full floors + attic
[*]Roof shape: pitched roofs; if there are multiple buildings, roofs must be constructed uniformly; the maximum allowable roof pitch for buildings with II full floors must not exceed 38 degrees. Exceptions are extensions to existing buildings.
[*]Architectural style: Originally desired - modern + cubic
[*]Orientation: Plot is north-west facing (see original post in this thread)
[*]Maximum heights/limits:


[*]I + attic max one full floor with wall height 4.30m
[*]II max two full floors with wall height 6.30m


[*]Additional requirements:


[*]For buildings with II full floors, a knee wall above the 2nd full floor in the attic is not allowed
[*]Requirements for dormers - see attachment

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Client Requirements



[*]Architectural style: Originally cubic; modern style with generous glazing
[*]Roof shape: According to development plan - probably gable roof
[*]Building type: KfW 55 (or KfW 40)
[*]Basement, floors: 2 full floors + attic + basement + separate granny flat
[*]Number of people, age
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[*]Parents + 2 planned children + parents-in-law (without permanent residence)


[*]Planned room layouts:

Ground floor:

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Large living/dining area with adjoining (yet separable) kitchen bottom left plus gallery overlooking 1st floor
[*]Utility room
[*]WC
[*]Garage
[*]Granny flat: strictly separated entrance - therefore separate building structure. Important: Age-appropriate (i.e., on one level). About 55m2. We originally had designs where the granny flat was part of the main house. However, this made the ground floor layouts of the main house very unattractive - hence the decision to separate the buildings, which we are currently actually happy with.


Upper floor:



[*]Gallery overlooking ground floor - we value the gallery a lot - we like the spatial feeling
[*]2x children's rooms with adjoining baths
[*]1x playroom (initially home theater, later converted) (optional)
[*]Parents' wing with main bedroom, dressing room, bathroom


Attic:



[*]2 separate offices
[*]1 guest room
[*]1 small guest bathroom


We found the two separate offices in the attic very charming. The guest area does not necessarily have to be in the attic.

Basement:



[*]1 technical room (sized adequately for all components)
[*]1 laundry room
[*]1 storage room
[*]Large fitness room - initial estimate of space for all equipment 30-35m2
[*]Wellness room with sauna - no special requirements. Prefabricated sauna + 2 loungers + possibly a small non-shower


Additional projects:



[*]Air-to-air heat pump or air-to-water heat pump - tbd
[*]Photovoltaics with/without storage
[*]Possibly pool (3.5/4m x 8m or 3.5/4m x 12m) with heat pump (and counter-current system) - tbd - if still in budget
[*]Sauna in basement room
[*]Air conditioning of various rooms
[*]Smart home - probably via KNX: lighting, partial sockets, blinds, shutters, probably no energy
[*]Garden: depending on final house plan






[*]Office: family use or home office? Definitely 2 separate offices - 60-80% home office
[*]Overnight guests per year - guests (1-2 persons) only come for 1-2 nights. The tendency increases due to building outside the city.
[*]Open or closed architecture: preference open
[*]Conservative or modern building style: modern
[*]Open kitchen, cooking island: open kitchen with island; my wife's preference: visual protection to the dining room when guests are present (guests shouldn't watch while cooking), otherwise open -> hence the idea of a sliding door as in the original plans; also: would like a small breakfast table at the kitchen (in addition to the dining table)
[*]Number of dining seats: 8-10
[*]Fireplace: gladly in living room and parents' bedroom - preference low-maintenance gas fireplace
[*]Music/stereo wall: no special preference. I will probably equip the house with Sonos
[*]Balcony, roof terrace: no preference, but outdoor areas desired. At least 1 outdoor space for the master bedroom, possibly 1 more
[*]Garage, carport: double parker (2 cars) with storage for bicycles + 1 motorcycle
[*]Utility garden, greenhouse: no
[*]Additional wishes/particularities/daily routine, preferably also reasons why this or that should or should not be
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[*]Consideration of sun movement
[*]We spend a lot of time at the breakfast table today
[*]We both have quite high working hours, so the offices should be nice
[*]We both exercise daily -> so the fitness room should be adequately sized

House Design

Who created the plan:

-contractor’s planner: architect of the construction company

-architect

-do-it-yourself: our ideas/wishes were included

What do you particularly like? Why? Glass front, separate granny flat building, daylight in the master bedroom

What do you not like? Why? Attic; many ill-considered points according to this thread

Price estimate according to architect/planner: 1.35-1.4 million turnkey

Personal price limit for the house, incl. equipment: all-in (incl. garden and remaining ideas) max 1.7-1.8 million

Preferred heating technology: heat pump + photovoltaics


If you have to do without, on which details/extensions

-can you do without: playroom on upper floor, pool (although painful)

-can you not do without: separate granny flat, gallery, 2 separate offices


Why did the design turn out as it is now? For example:

Standard design from planner? 2-3 iteration loops with the general contractor’s planner

Corresponding/which wishes were implemented by the architect? See thread

A mixture of many examples from various magazines… long collection and compilation of personal wishes

What makes it particularly good or bad in your eyes? Missing/no consideration of important details (see thread)


What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan summarized in 130 characters?

As you can see from this thread, there is a base plan that was rightfully dissected by you. Therefore, I would be infinitely grateful if you could support me with your ideas, possibly sketches, based on the original plan.

Plot: 1062m2; approx. 25.5m x 41.64m

and the building envelope from the site plan then measures probably = 15x17m - right? The site plan is oriented north - Correct?

Garage, carport: double parker (2 cars) with storage space for bicycles + 1 motorcycle

does not fit in the current design at all. What about garbage? How many garbage bins do you need? Recycling, residual, paper and organic waste?

Roof shape: According to the development plan - probably gable roof

Why then is a hip roof planned now?

No knee wall in the attic .. have you looked at the currently planned offices based on that premise? Those are very small areas with standing height.

The granny flat was for the parents and the parents-in-law visit occasionally?

The property is well known here in the forum anyway ;)
For your information: the staircase measures 3.60... window height on the terrace side is 276... so we also have approximately such a ceiling height on the ground floor (Edit: or rather, the ceiling is calculated including the windows...) ... The all-purpose room is not 86 sqm large, but only 66 sqm. The planner included the hallway, the scoundrel.
Structurally a very complex matter, the one with the windows without ring beam... I think the planner is proposing something that cannot be solved that easily. I’ll say it again: simply too big a challenge for a general contractor, which you will pay for.

Zugelassene Grundfläche: 155m2

You are at over 222 sqm. How can that be explained? How does that add up?

Parents + 2 planned children + parents-in-law (without permanent stay)

[*]We spend a lot of time at the breakfast table nowadays
[*]We have quite long working hours, so the offices should be nice
[*]We both exercise daily -> therefore the fitness room should be sufficiently large

There don’t seem to be any children yet. I would have guessed older children already, since the offices are in the attic and there is hardly any opportunity for childcare.

If you like kitchen tables, I would also plan accordingly.

Therefore, I would be infinitely grateful if you would support me with your ideas, possibly sketches based on the original plan.

The wishes are very tightly fixed. I see from your list that there are hardly any possibilities to do something differently. This and that into the basement, that into the attic... playroom here and that kind of room there...
I can’t imagine that you are open if even only roughly the construct is revised so that the negative aspects disappear.

I’m also puzzled by the floor area of 155 as well as the planned area, which is much larger.

and the building envelope from the site plan then measures probably = 15x17m - right? The site plan is oriented north - correct?

I can't tell you the dimensions off the top of my head. Sounds plausible. The site plan is oriented north, correct!

does not fit at all with the previous design. What about trash? How many trash bins are needed? Recycling, residual, paper, and organic waste?

Good question, I have no idea. This has not been considered at all so far. But it could also be part of the next fine-tuning steps – I don’t want to be unfair to the general contractor.

Why is a hipped roof planned now?

There are hipped roofs in the neighborhood. Hence a first draft. The roof shape can apparently be adapted without problems.

No knee wall in the attic ... under this premise, have you looked at the currently planned offices? These are very small areas with standing height.

Exactly – that’s what I meant earlier. The spaces that result are absolutely pointless. I can’t do anything with them at all and I find it almost a disgrace that the attic was thrown to me without any comment.

The granny flat was for the parents and the parents-in-law come to visit occasionally?

For the foreseeable period of 10+ years, it is planned that the parents-in-law spend about 30-50% of the year there. During the remaining time, possibly longer guest visits or visits from my parents are planned. So occupancy over the course of the year is probably 50-70%.

Total - that's what I meant earlier. The areas that come out are absolutely pointless. I can't use any of that at all and I almost find it shameful that the DG was thrown to me so without comment.

Well. that's what happens when the wish list is too big or very extensive. The hipped roof seems to have almost the maximum possible roof pitch allowed. Combined with the mentioned floor area, quite a lot has already been squeezed out there. We don't know you. When reading the wishes/requirements in the questionnaire this afternoon, I thought: Man, he was told that this doesn't fit well at all, and yet he's listing premises again that one should actually free oneself from. Then I recognized the plot again and remembered that, after nobody here could respond to your wishes back then, the plot was also shown in another forum. I believe there was also a setback there. Then you look for a general contractor who initially goes along because he naturally wants to make money with a lucrative contract, well aware that much doesn't work. Maybe it was already communicated from the start, regarding the roof?! You seem very persistent, which is not necessarily advantageous when ignoring warnings about problems.

You are at over 222 sqm. How can this be explained? How does that come about?

This is primarily due to the fact that we outsourced the granny flat. Our confidence lies in the fact that several plots (by far not just one) significantly exceed the floor area ratio and the actually prescribed building envelopes of the very old development plan much more than we would do here now. That is why the idea is to go through the approval process.

I had already discussed these thoughts with 2+ construction companies in the early phase. Both were confident here. Do you see this as completely impossible with our preliminary analyses (Bayernatlas etc.)?
An exemplary neighboring house has a footprint of >255 sqm on a smaller plot.

It seems there are no children yet. I would have guessed already older children here, since the offices are under the roof and there is hardly any possibility for childcare.

Both are correct. Good impulse, we will think about that again.

The plot is sufficiently well known here in the forum ;)
For your information: the stairs measure 3.60... Window height on the terrace side is 276... so we also have an approximate ceiling height like that on the ground floor (Edit or rather the ceiling is included at the windows...) ... The open-plan room is not 86 sqm large, but only 66 sqm. The planner included the hallway, the rascal.
Structurally a very complicated matter, the windows without ring beam.... I think the planner is suggesting something that simply cannot be solved that easily. I say it again: for a general contractor simply too great a challenge which you will pay for.

You are at over 222 sqm. How can this be explained? How does that come about?

It seems there are no children yet. I would have guessed already older children here, since the offices are under the roof and there is hardly any possibility for childcare.

If you like kitchen tables, then I would also plan like that.

The wishes are very tightly fixed. From your enumeration I see that there are hardly any possibilities to do something differently. This and that into the basement, that into the attic... playroom here and such a room there...
I cannot imagine that you are open to even remotely modifying the construct so that the negative aspects disappear.

The floor area of 155 as well as the planned area, which is much larger, also irritates me.

IMPORTANT comment: I did not want to give the impression that the layouts are set in stone. I am completely open to a new allocation of all rooms across the different levels. Please just consider the rooms themselves as the wishes for now.