Explanation of the hype

  • Erstellt am 2017-07-17 07:46:19

Caspar2020

2017-07-18 08:33:01
  • #1


In rental apartments from the 50s or 60s, you don't just tear down the walls.

In new buildings (in our environment) there are 12 open and 1 closed.

That is also a matter of personal taste.
 

ypg

2017-07-18 08:53:24
  • #2
Open-plan kitchens are not new but have always existed. It was the central place where the fire used to blaze. The Americans probably invented the counter? No idea. Who invented the small kitchenette? It probably wasn't the nobility, as kitchens used to be large back in the day. But maybe it was the nobility after all, who didn't want to watch the food preparation because it often turned into work? At least one can say that it is incompatible with today's times to open the parlor only for honorable guests and keep the party basement for the common folk. I think there is absolutely no hype to be seen here, rather "back to the roots." Best regards in brief
 

dragonfreak

2017-07-18 08:56:14
  • #3
The living and dining area is also for guests, the kitchen is for us just a means to an end

We have already discussed the topic of smells
 

readytorumble

2017-07-18 09:16:27
  • #4
The kitchen is also open in our home and we are very happy about that. Although we have only been living here for 2 weeks, we cook daily.

Odors are not an issue. Proper recirculating extractor hood and controlled residential ventilation (2x exhaust air in the kitchen). It was much worse with the odors in my parents' house (kitchen separated, of course no ventilation...) whenever the kitchen door was even briefly opened. Therefore, this argument is not valid for me.
 

Climbee

2017-07-18 09:21:32
  • #5
So, I used to be convinced that the kitchen had to be closed. Because you can close the door and no one sees inside while cooking. Because the cooking smell (when you’re hungry it’s a scent, when you’re full it’s food stench *g*) stays there. My first apartment had a separate kitchen with a very small dining area (for max. 2 people; basically I always ate there alone as a single, guests were seated in the living room, where the dining table was as well).

Honestly: it’s a nice delusion that the smell stays in the kitchen. That might work if you’re cooking vegetables, but if you have a roast in the oven for 3 or more hours or frying 4 steaks in the pan, you can have the best-closing door to the kitchen: the whole house / apartment will smell like food.

What helps against that is a good controlled residential ventilation system and a good extractor, whether a hood or the new ones that directly extract at the cooktop (Heaven, I can’t think of the name right now!), whatever. And if necessary, airing out well after the meal.

A door to the kitchen has never helped me prevent food smells from spreading.

But I had guests sitting alone in the living room while I still finished the last tasks in the kitchen.

The next apartment had an open kitchen-living room and the living room was separate. The smell problem was the same, so afterward there was heavy airing out (despite the extractor hood). The guests sat without exception in the kitchen, the living room was never used. I was sitting there with my ex alone in front of the TV or on Sunday afternoon reading. With guests we were always in the sociable kitchen. For me that was definitely much better, it was fun, the guests got something to drink, I could talk with them while I finished up the last tasks and I didn’t feel bad that my guests were sitting alone in the living room (or standing in my way in the kitchen, that annoys me too).

In our current apartment I have for the first time an open kitchen/dining/living area and I LOVE it!!! Never again otherwise (notabene: I was initially a strict advocate of the closed kitchen door!). It’s so much more communicative, guests can immediately sit at the table or lounge on the couch with an aperitif. By the way, I cannot understand the problem of a chaotic kitchen after cooking at all. I always clean up while cooking, it’s pure self-discipline, I got that from my mother from the very start (and she didn’t have a dishwasher back then; all dishes, pots etc. that were no longer needed were immediately washed and put away, that works too!). When I finish cooking, my kitchen is clean as well, there are no piles of unwashed cooking utensils lying around (and I’m managing that nowadays with just one (!) 45 cm dishwasher). I honestly don’t understand how one can turn a kitchen into such a mess, but I often see it. But that’s really a learning process and I can only recommend it to everyone, whether the kitchen is open or closed: then you don’t have a pile of cleaning up after the meal in the kitchen and that is VERY pleasant.

Our house will have an open living/cooking/dining area and since we don’t like carpets anyway, the flooring is no issue (we’re getting wood). But I find white carpet in the kitchen strange too. That’s surely going to be fun...

Floor-to-ceiling windows: we like them, they simply make it brighter when the light falls right onto the floor. Therefore, as many floor-to-ceiling windows as possible are planned for us, mostly with sliding doors so that the living area can be extended outside in summer.
I think you can definitely place something in front of the fixed part of sliding doors. Maybe not the full room height of the living room wall, but a lowboard, a stove (of course always with some distance to the window), I don’t find that bad at all. In the office I can also well imagine a desk in front of a floor-to-ceiling window.
But that’s all a matter of taste.
Views inside, especially when it’s dark and you have the light on inside, can also be reduced quite well with an appropriate lighting concept (illuminating the window from outside, for example). A sophisticated lighting concept is very helpful here.

I don’t understand balconies in a detached house anyway, especially not at the parents’ bedroom (who on earth goes out on the balcony before or after sleeping??? For the cigarette afterwards???). If you have a garden and a terrace, you use those. I only know unused balconies on detached houses... wait, I don’t want to lie: one family uses their balcony. They have a house on a slope and the kitchen on the ground floor (that’s the level with the street entrance). They have a dining area on the balcony, accessible directly from the kitchen, and it’s used. The remaining balcony (on the south side in front of all the rooms with a wonderful mountain view) is completely useless.

But also here: whoever has their heart set on a balcony should just build one...
 

chand1986

2017-07-18 09:41:13
  • #6


I expressed myself imprecisely. In my experience (without having created an actual statistic), more people prefer to live with an open rather than a closed kitchen. What they currently have, however, is another matter. Many tenants simply make compromises. In older rental buildings, the closed kitchen is a standard that cannot be avoided if you live there, even if you would prefer it differently.

And the reason it is desired is that cooking and baking hold a value for many that goes beyond mere food preparation. a) It is seen as a cultural skill that should not be hidden but shown, b) it is often carried out as a communal activity (even "celebrated" with dear guests), and c) the time for many has passed when servants or later the housewife were removed from the sight of the rest of the living area for the tasks assigned to them, when prosperity allowed. The "good parlor" with all-in-one was formerly due to the fact that often there was not enough money for more.

But indisputable remains: To avoid becoming a victim of a trend or, conversely, of clinging to old traditions, one must first be clear about what requirements a room is supposed to fulfill (this applies not only to kitchens). For this, one must observe oneself and also calmly inquire uncomfortable external opinions – sometimes the external judgment differs greatly from the self-assessment, and then one should urgently(!) start a second round of self-assessment.

Once that is clear, it automatically follows whether open or closed, etc. should be. Only the very German mistake of using the two classics "it has always been this way / it has never been this way" as "good" arguments should be avoided.
 

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