Ground floor approx. 100 sqm, upper floor expandable (planned bathroom, 2 children's rooms, 1 storage room)

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Climbee

2018-03-28 12:33:12
  • #1
The draft didn’t blow me away either... somehow boring, especially the exterior views. Why so few windows on the west/east sides? Bedroom in the west? Well... suboptimal, it will get pretty warm in summer.

When it comes to room layout and architectural style, I rarely agree with Nordlys, but here he is 100% right: definitely swap the kitchen and utility room, and then the dining area and living room. A door from the kitchen to the living/dining area makes sense then. A dining table that is only used when guests come, in my opinion, makes no sense at all. How often will that be? Once a month? Less??? And waste half the living area on that???

So better just a small breakfast nook in the kitchen, where you can quickly have breakfast, the child gets their lunch, but when the family eats together, they use the dining area. Otherwise just cut it out altogether and set up a table in the living area when guests come. But a table that is used max. 12 times a year and takes up half the living area – only people with 200 sqm for two persons can afford that.

If you swap the utility room and kitchen, you could also think about opening up the kitchen or possibly using a sliding door, etc., then the discussion about a double dining area becomes unnecessary: one is enough.

The opening in the utility room: window or door? In the exterior views, I only see the bedroom window.

When planning, keep in mind: if the upper floor is possibly going to be developed, be sure to already have the appropriate connections, etc., installed upstairs. Overall, I would definitely vaguely plan the intended expansion in advance, just to know where windows should go, etc.
 

Nordlys

2018-03-28 13:05:49
  • #2
No, Climbee, not like that. Well, usually you eat in the kitchen. Dining table Ikea Norden, white, four chairs ypperlig gray. That's how I know it too. Then you have a good living room. There is also a table for "good". When guests come. For coffee. Or in the evening. Otherwise, the table with the 4 chairs in the living room is decoration and nice to look at. That's why you buy it from wild oak or steamed beech or even teak wood, so you have something to look at. The bedroom in the west is neither generously glazed nor too warm in SH. We had a west bedroom for decades and it was never a problem. Since the wind usually comes from the west, you have nice fresh air inside. Good: this utility room is so big that you can still fit a Billy with doors as a storage cabinet for light bulbs, Sidol, Stahlfix, pineapple cans, and so on. And washing machine/dryer. Build a sink into it, then you would also have a place to scrape early potatoes or clean fish. Until primary school age, no child needs more closet space than you have. After that, you have the attic. Until then, the upstairs is a great cellar substitute. If necessary, you only have to partly convert the top floor in the future, then you still have some left. Never any storage problems.
 

Climbee

2018-03-28 13:21:45
  • #3

That is from the last century, sorry, and for me an absolute waste of space.

It's like when the lady of the house buys nice lingerie but then always leaves it in the drawer "for something special" (and then dies *clears throat* before that special occasion comes).

Then I make myself a nice dining spot in the (larger) kitchen, which I can also expand if guests come. But a dining spot that I only dust off 355 days and use 7 days???

With my brother’s in-laws it’s like this: very fancy dining area, huge, in the living room. Like they had in the ’70s: big round bay window for the dining table. Thank God no round bench (because otherwise everyone always has to get up if someone has to go to the bathroom during the meal), but a large, round table (custom-made!!!) with 10 chairs around it. And a big corner bench in the kitchen.
Now guess where they eat. ALWAYS. Even with guests. Because you don’t want to leave the cook working alone in the kitchen, you sit with her in the kitchen and because it’s so cozy there, you stay, clear the table next to you (from the representative table to the worn kitchen table) and that’s it.
The widowed mother-in-law is currently thinking about turning the unused huge dining niche into a cozy snuggle corner (with a comfy couch and lighting for reading) but ultimately struggles with sacrificing the insanely expensive custom table.

If there's a large dining area in the living room, then please use it daily too.
 

Nordlys

2018-03-28 13:40:35
  • #4
I do understand the example with the lingerie, as it is chosen according to the simple male mind, but I still don't think the rest is right. I have a dark suit and Lloyd shoes, which are not for every day either. And her Robbe and Berking silver from the wedding, we don't use that all the time either, but at Christmas, because Christmas has to be visible too, and it's the same with furniture, everything always the same is just as valid, and then you can almost write it together. Karsten
 

Evolith

2018-03-28 13:44:05
  • #5


Wow, I have to disagree from my own experience. Our son (3 years old) now has just under 12 sqm. Inside is a normal bed (now a loft bed), a small shelf for the player and diaper leftovers, a Stuva (IKEA) wardrobe where his clothes are, a play table (self-made), a toy kitchen, a small workbench, and his Playmobil Dragon Knight castle. Smaller toys like cars, animals, etc., fit in the play table. I wouldn’t want the room any smaller. Otherwise, the kids can hardly spread out and automatically shift their play area into the living room. Yuck!
 

Climbee

2018-03-28 14:12:16
  • #6
I can understand (and we do it the same way) that you want to make special days special, but a silver cutlery set (which we also sometimes use when we simply feel like having a nice meal) disappears space-saving in a drawer or cutlery roll or in the cutlery box in the storage room and doesn’t take away any living space from me. If I have a huge villa, then I can also say "well, the pink salon, we only use it at Christmas and Easter!" And in between, the furniture gets dust covers and before Christmas and Easter the staff get the pink salon ready for use again (and after the holidays they put the dust covers back over the furniture). But for me, that’s not a situation in a normally sized single-family house where I simply need the space (even if it’s to create space to play for the little ones). That’s why: nice dining area yes! ... but then use it and not just waste space. Two large dining areas (just a few meters next to each other): waste of space!
 

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