Installation of a gas heating system in new construction 2023/2024

Also illogical is to predict the massive price increase of electricity in one thread, but to laugh about the unprofitability of photovoltaic systems in another thread.

What green electricity has to do with pellet heating systems, I did not understand?

Well, the certificates have to come from somewhere. Reforestation projects are quite popular. Selling the forest as pellets and then making a profit again with the certificates for reforestation has already happened.

For me, it is clear that most projects for which certificates exist are complete nonsense.

But CO2 certificates with CBAM will definitely become a factor where we will feel price increases.

Well, the certificates have to come from somewhere. Reforestation projects are relatively popular. Selling forest as pellets and then making a profit again with the certificates for reforestation is said to have happened. For me, it's clear that most projects for which there are certificates are complete nonsense. But CO2 certificates with CBAM will definitely become a factor where we will feel price increases.

I have so far always used a provider I found through Utopia, which as far as I know is actually without the certificate trading nonsense. Polarstern, for example, has a hydropower plant.

Well, the certificates have to come from somewhere. Reforestation projects are relatively popular. Selling forest as pellets and then making a profit again from the certificates for reforestation has happened before. For me, it is clear that most projects for which there are certificates are complete nonsense. But CO2 certificates with CBAM will certainly become a factor where we will feel price increases.

Green electricity does not become green electricity through compensation projects but through so-called guarantees of origin. If you are actually interested, you can find information on the internet under this keyword about how green electricity works. Your definition is definitely wrong and looks to me as if you were just looking for an excuse not to use green electricity and have overheard something somewhere that does not play any role in green electricity at all... (There is, of course, justified criticism of the guarantees of origin as well. But they work completely differently from the projects you mentioned.)

Can we briefly talk about the price again? I have heard this several times now, also in the extended circle of acquaintances. People always say heat pumps are 20,000€, sometimes even 40,000€ more expensive. What kind of nonsense is that? Where does that come from?

We are getting our heat pump together with the house at a fixed price, so I cannot see the price for the heat pump. But if I simply search for the Vaillant VWL 75/6, I immediately get several portals offering the heating system for around 10,000€ with all accessories and hot water storage. There is also a 30% subsidy. I think the installation cost will be similar, at least for an air heat pump.
Retrofitting underfloor heating costs around 50€ per sqm according to a quick Google search. That is 7,500€ for 150 sqm. Even then, we come to a total additional cost of perhaps 10,000€ compared to the gas heating. But then we also have underfloor heating and the running costs are much lower.

Moreover, in new buildings, gas connections, etc. also have to be installed. In existing buildings, a heat pump can also be connected to radiators, it just won't be quite as efficient.

After the dismissal of the witness Graichen, the law could even be completely overturned

It remains exciting... And the assumption that electricity will not become massively more expensive in 2027 due to the CO2 price is an illusion. Almost 50% of our electricity will still come from coal and gas in 2027, alone 15% from the extremely dirty lignite...

I'm laughing my head off :D

I am currently waiting for Lindner to tear the rubber mask off his face and Frauke Petry to appear underneath, laughing. And as a former FDP member, I can only shake my head.