chand1986
2023-04-29 04:05:41
- #1
How does one methodically show that masks "in reality" do not work when they definitely do under controlled conditions?
Specifically: What is the test group, what is the control group?
There are peer-reviewed studies on flat earth too – they now even have their own journals around the world.
I am probably demanding the impossible right now: nuanced thinking.
Because there is peer-reviewed bad science, the inverse conclusion does not apply: that peer review cannot ensure quality.
Again specifically: Because some sociological statistical analyses are contradictory, even though all peer-reviewed, non-statistical physics does not have to face the same problem of ambivalence!
NO!
Sometimes a thought experiment helps, for the third and last time very concretely:
If masks do not work, then we could have expected identical infection dynamics in full schools with 30 children per room at 0.5m distance in case A (all wear masks) vs. case B (no one wears masks).
Do we know this? Not really, since the control group is missing.
Would that be a plausible assumption? No, completely implausible, because we know for sure that masks work under controlled conditions. So why not in the real but still controlled condition of school. Or nursing home? Or train? Or waiting room?
Anyone who says that something "in reality" does not work, which has been proven to work under controlled conditions, MUST answer this question. Even "in reality" we had islands of controlled conditions, they were simply part of reality.
By the way, I have not found this answer, because this quality of counter-evidence simply does not exist. And I have really looked.
So much for the alleged proofs of the ineffectiveness of masks.
Specifically: What is the test group, what is the control group?
There are peer-reviewed studies on flat earth too – they now even have their own journals around the world.
I am probably demanding the impossible right now: nuanced thinking.
Because there is peer-reviewed bad science, the inverse conclusion does not apply: that peer review cannot ensure quality.
Again specifically: Because some sociological statistical analyses are contradictory, even though all peer-reviewed, non-statistical physics does not have to face the same problem of ambivalence!
NO!
Sometimes a thought experiment helps, for the third and last time very concretely:
If masks do not work, then we could have expected identical infection dynamics in full schools with 30 children per room at 0.5m distance in case A (all wear masks) vs. case B (no one wears masks).
Do we know this? Not really, since the control group is missing.
Would that be a plausible assumption? No, completely implausible, because we know for sure that masks work under controlled conditions. So why not in the real but still controlled condition of school. Or nursing home? Or train? Or waiting room?
Anyone who says that something "in reality" does not work, which has been proven to work under controlled conditions, MUST answer this question. Even "in reality" we had islands of controlled conditions, they were simply part of reality.
By the way, I have not found this answer, because this quality of counter-evidence simply does not exist. And I have really looked.
So much for the alleged proofs of the ineffectiveness of masks.